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11-08-2012, 07:30 PM
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11-09-2012, 12:58 PM
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I can't answer for the guys, but the major reason is: pull the SD card, plug in and play data-overlaid video. Two cameras included.
The software features GPS position justified video and data side by side, up to six laps or segment comparisons, real time.
It also starts and stops without pushing any buttons and knows where it is as soon as it gets a GPS lock.
In other words, idiot proof!
Downside is the background has to be setup beforehand, some risk of GPS dropout and no actual accelerometer data, only GPS derived. Plus, the software is limited, like Traqmate. CAN interface is limited and buggy.
The software features GPS position justified video and data side by side, up to six laps or segment comparisons, real time.
It also starts and stops without pushing any buttons and knows where it is as soon as it gets a GPS lock.
In other words, idiot proof!
Downside is the background has to be setup beforehand, some risk of GPS dropout and no actual accelerometer data, only GPS derived. Plus, the software is limited, like Traqmate. CAN interface is limited and buggy.
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11-09-2012, 01:10 PM
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11-09-2012, 01:10 PM
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Main reason for switching is crappy hardware made from bubble gum wrapper material and cheap, cheap cheap cables etc. and the hassle of downloading data and video and then merging. Software is also counter intuitive, but I figured it out eventually. Upgrades are the price of a new system.
This was Traqmate's business to lose and they are losing.
Reason for VBox is the idiot proof simple Video/data side by side.
Less data, less nice video but better than racekeeper I think. Hopefully newest camera's are a bit better.
Plenty of people to assist with questions and support. I'm confident if I have it installed and prepped right in my car and on my laptop it will work.
Just simple, simple simple with decent solid hardware.
Aim gives you a lot more data, but I use data only to identify the faster slower segments and then go look at video to see what we are doing, so for me VBox is best match. Aim is better if you dig deep into pure data perhaps, but the OBD2 connection is not perfect and limited software to suck data out of the ECU still so no real advantage there.
This was Traqmate's business to lose and they are losing.
Reason for VBox is the idiot proof simple Video/data side by side.
Less data, less nice video but better than racekeeper I think. Hopefully newest camera's are a bit better.
Plenty of people to assist with questions and support. I'm confident if I have it installed and prepped right in my car and on my laptop it will work.
Just simple, simple simple with decent solid hardware.
Aim gives you a lot more data, but I use data only to identify the faster slower segments and then go look at video to see what we are doing, so for me VBox is best match. Aim is better if you dig deep into pure data perhaps, but the OBD2 connection is not perfect and limited software to suck data out of the ECU still so no real advantage there.
11-09-2012, 01:45 PM
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How does it get g-forces without an accelerometer? How accurate is that?
I agree, traqmate is letting the industry run away and leave them. Their prices for some of the upgrades are ridiculous compared to the price of the unit. You could easily spend as much as an AIM system putting stuff together. If I have to buy anything else, I'm moving on too. I don't too much mind the video thing, it's really easy for me, plus I always edit length and customize gauges and stuff on race render. I enjoy that actually. I hate the stupid session date glitch on the traqdash, and it's garbage that they have released updates that didn't fix it.
Rad, your comment on green group is nonsense, I'm not going to let that one slide. I have certainly shaved many many seconds off my lap times using my traqmate. Don't need drama queen answers.
The throttle position or steering position sounds interesting, but I don't know how to use it in the data to make me faster. Traqmate already has more data than I can figure out exactly how looking at each thing relates to speed. Until I know what the data is that I need, I'm not adding more of it. I do like the adding overlay feature, want that for sure, and the side by side video, that's nice too. But I like my bright Traqdash, it has pretty colors...... Lol.
I'll be interested in hearing how it works out. I'm a gadget junky, love new gadgets. Traqmate is lapping at 3:00 per lap while the industry is moving at 2:00 per lap.
Peter, you have any good data analysis book recommendations?
I agree, traqmate is letting the industry run away and leave them. Their prices for some of the upgrades are ridiculous compared to the price of the unit. You could easily spend as much as an AIM system putting stuff together. If I have to buy anything else, I'm moving on too. I don't too much mind the video thing, it's really easy for me, plus I always edit length and customize gauges and stuff on race render. I enjoy that actually. I hate the stupid session date glitch on the traqdash, and it's garbage that they have released updates that didn't fix it.
Rad, your comment on green group is nonsense, I'm not going to let that one slide. I have certainly shaved many many seconds off my lap times using my traqmate. Don't need drama queen answers.
The throttle position or steering position sounds interesting, but I don't know how to use it in the data to make me faster. Traqmate already has more data than I can figure out exactly how looking at each thing relates to speed. Until I know what the data is that I need, I'm not adding more of it. I do like the adding overlay feature, want that for sure, and the side by side video, that's nice too. But I like my bright Traqdash, it has pretty colors...... Lol.
I'll be interested in hearing how it works out. I'm a gadget junky, love new gadgets. Traqmate is lapping at 3:00 per lap while the industry is moving at 2:00 per lap.
Peter, you have any good data analysis book recommendations?
11-09-2012, 03:27 PM
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Race Keeper has an acellerometer correct Deputy Dog?
11-09-2012, 09:37 PM
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Reason for VBox is the idiot proof simple Video/data side by side.
Less data, less nice video but better than Race-keeper I think.
Plenty of people to assist with questions and support. I'm confident if I have it installed and prepped right in my car and on my laptop it will work.
Just simple, simple simple with decent solid hardware.
Aim gives you a lot more data, but I use data only to identify the faster slower segments and then go look at video to see what we are doing, so for me VBox is best match.
Aim is better if you dig deep into pure data perhaps, but the OBD2 connection is not perfect and limited software to suck data out of the ECU still so no real advantage there.
Less data, less nice video but better than Race-keeper I think.
Plenty of people to assist with questions and support. I'm confident if I have it installed and prepped right in my car and on my laptop it will work.
Just simple, simple simple with decent solid hardware.
Aim gives you a lot more data, but I use data only to identify the faster slower segments and then go look at video to see what we are doing, so for me VBox is best match.
Aim is better if you dig deep into pure data perhaps, but the OBD2 connection is not perfect and limited software to suck data out of the ECU still so no real advantage there.
A lot here, but Traqmate is fine for vintage cars. AiM is actually the best CAN-wise, but as you say, how many people really need that? Still think the "one-chip" solutions like AiM, VBOX and Race-Keeper are a more usable, hence more valuable tool. I do like Traqmate for the simplicity of DATA, but not many use that. Race-Keeper video and audio suck, IMO.
How does it get g-forces without an accelerometer? How accurate is that?
I agree, traqmate is letting the industry run away and leave them.
I hate the stupid session date glitch on the traqdash, and it's garbage that they have released updates that didn't fix it.
I have certainly shaved many many seconds off my lap times using my traqmate.
The throttle position or steering position sounds interesting, but I don't know how to use it in the data to make me faster.
Peter, you have any good data analysis book recommendations?
I agree, traqmate is letting the industry run away and leave them.
I hate the stupid session date glitch on the traqdash, and it's garbage that they have released updates that didn't fix it.
I have certainly shaved many many seconds off my lap times using my traqmate.
The throttle position or steering position sounds interesting, but I don't know how to use it in the data to make me faster.
Peter, you have any good data analysis book recommendations?
In answer to the non-accelerometer derived g's, no. I don't think it's accurate enough to calculate accurate rise times or decay. But it's fine for comparison between two drivers... Which is perfect for DE Cup!
Yes, R-K has two accelerometers.
11-09-2012, 09:44 PM
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Main reason for switching is crappy hardware made from bubble gum wrapper material and cheap, cheap cheap cables etc. and the hassle of downloading data and video and then merging. Software is also counter intuitive, but I figured it out eventually. Upgrades are the price of a new system.
This was Traqmate's business to lose and they are losing.
Reason for VBox is the idiot proof simple Video/data side by side.
Less data, less nice video but better than racekeeper I think. Hopefully newest camera's are a bit better.
Plenty of people to assist with questions and support. I'm confident if I have it installed and prepped right in my car and on my laptop it will work.
Just simple, simple simple with decent solid hardware.
Aim gives you a lot more data, but I use data only to identify the faster slower segments and then go look at video to see what we are doing, so for me VBox is best match. Aim is better if you dig deep into pure data perhaps, but the OBD2 connection is not perfect and limited software to suck data out of the ECU still so no real advantage there.
This was Traqmate's business to lose and they are losing.
Reason for VBox is the idiot proof simple Video/data side by side.
Less data, less nice video but better than racekeeper I think. Hopefully newest camera's are a bit better.
Plenty of people to assist with questions and support. I'm confident if I have it installed and prepped right in my car and on my laptop it will work.
Just simple, simple simple with decent solid hardware.
Aim gives you a lot more data, but I use data only to identify the faster slower segments and then go look at video to see what we are doing, so for me VBox is best match. Aim is better if you dig deep into pure data perhaps, but the OBD2 connection is not perfect and limited software to suck data out of the ECU still so no real advantage there.
It is all personal preference.
11-09-2012, 09:55 PM
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BTW, I just sold a VVB Lite system AND an AiM SmartyCam that is plug and play for the MoTeC system in the 997 GT3 Cup cars, so no exclusivity there.
And as I've known from more than a decade of selling and teaching drivers how to use these tools, it's what your friends have... And what you'll USE.
There are regional pockets of particular systems, as there are various series and sanctioning bodies that have "official" data and video systems.
It's all good...
And as I've known from more than a decade of selling and teaching drivers how to use these tools, it's what your friends have... And what you'll USE.
There are regional pockets of particular systems, as there are various series and sanctioning bodies that have "official" data and video systems.
It's all good...
11-09-2012, 10:17 PM
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Do any of you think that over analyzing your driving could actually make you slower? Does this over analyzing take the feel away from driving?
Sometimes I think that I over think driving and forget about just feel what the car is doing. To me it's kind of like musicians that over think the music and their technique and they sound sterile and play with no feel and lose their sound.
Sometimes I think that I over think driving and forget about just feel what the car is doing. To me it's kind of like musicians that over think the music and their technique and they sound sterile and play with no feel and lose their sound.