trakcar 4.0
10-12-2012, 08:00 PM
#256
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10-13-2012, 11:54 PM
#260
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No surprise the car feels the same as a 3.8. Savy's setup is spot on but I think I may have a but too much wing. I might drop it a bit to see if I can tell. The engine is a happy engine, I like how well the car drives with all stock suspension. Not even lowered.
IZZONE has an entire video session ( my second in the car ) of riding my *** and I have some I phone video that SENNA put on my windshield. 2:220 with a featherlight passenger (Sly
) that was laughing and giggling at me overdriving the car and killing the tires to not have to give the pass. He out drove me by a second, so good thing I wrote the check just in time...
I was not on my game this morning and I just doubled up on my $risk so I was not really planning to go ***** out. I even had TC and SC on. My hands feel like the have blisters from holding on to the steering wheel, I'm worried I might bend the wheel. No harness, no Hans, no roll bar sucks. I can't shift because one wrist is not strong enough to hold me in my seat in some corners
I had not been to Sebring since February I think, but later in the day I cleaned up my line a bit and found some time, but not sure because no camera or data. All good, no surprises.
Hopefully another cooler morning (68f this morning) and if I can borrow Sennas I phone again I will see if I can go a little faster
IZZONE has an entire video session ( my second in the car ) of riding my *** and I have some I phone video that SENNA put on my windshield. 2:220 with a featherlight passenger (Sly
) that was laughing and giggling at me overdriving the car and killing the tires to not have to give the pass. He out drove me by a second, so good thing I wrote the check just in time...I was not on my game this morning and I just doubled up on my $risk so I was not really planning to go ***** out. I even had TC and SC on. My hands feel like the have blisters from holding on to the steering wheel, I'm worried I might bend the wheel. No harness, no Hans, no roll bar sucks. I can't shift because one wrist is not strong enough to hold me in my seat in some corners
I had not been to Sebring since February I think, but later in the day I cleaned up my line a bit and found some time, but not sure because no camera or data. All good, no surprises.
Hopefully another cooler morning (68f this morning) and if I can borrow Sennas I phone again I will see if I can go a little faster
10-14-2012, 09:39 AM
#262
I'll quickly mention I never once turned off SC or TC and managed to set TTOD at every local SCCA event I attended this year. As of this moment you cannot convince me that turning off TC/SC in this car will result in faster lap times.
And it is a free (limited) insurance policy.
And it is a free (limited) insurance policy.
10-14-2012, 09:50 AM
#263
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Good to hear you are enjoying the car. Could really test the SC/TC up here this weekend, mid 40's with lots of rain. Have another good day. I am jealous of all you guys down there. Maybe in a couple of years I can send my car south or west for the winter. Have to wait until the youngest is off to college.
10-14-2012, 11:30 AM
#264
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Peter your 4.0 must be an awesome dream car to own. Have fun and be careful with it.
10-14-2012, 01:45 PM
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I'll quickly mention I never once turned off SC or TC and managed to set TTOD at every local SCCA event I attended this year. As of this moment you cannot convince me that turning off TC/SC in this car will result in faster lap times.
And it is a free (limited) insurance policy.
And it is a free (limited) insurance policy.
I think Peter is wise using it now, but once he gets to grips with the car, he will turn it off. You just don't go faster with a system that cuts power and dabs brakes all of which intended to slow you down.
10-14-2012, 02:05 PM
#267
That's very unscientific. Just means you are better driver or have faster car than anyone else there. One or the other. And if you never once turned off SC or TC, how would you know you can't go faster like that?
I think Peter is wise using it now, but once he gets to grips with the car, he will turn it off. You just don't go faster with a system that cuts power and dabs brakes all of which intended to slow you down.
I think Peter is wise using it now, but once he gets to grips with the car, he will turn it off. You just don't go faster with a system that cuts power and dabs brakes all of which intended to slow you down.
I've had similar experience in a RS 3.8 -- SC & TC are good enough to be called electronic safeties. They no longer intervene at points where the driver would be disappointed rather than given a polite wake-up that the show was coming off the rails. With something more than PASM and Hoosiers, I imagine it would be possible to drive beyond what the 997.2 GT3 PSM thinks of as plausible. There are a couple of situations where it's necessary to change the line and inputs to "satisfy" PSM, but all in all, I don't find any of these adjustments to be slower. If anything, I'd encourage 997.2 drivers to stay in PSM and use it as a guide to improve their driving. : )
10-14-2012, 02:17 PM
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I would advise drivers to do a wet autocross or wet handling course to improve their driving. Leaning on TC isn't making you a better driver IMO. You can drive on it for years, and still not be prepared for an unexpected slip of the wheel (with it off) because that stuff doesn't prepare you for it (reactions, etc.). I would tell beginners to stay on it until they know what they are doing, but that's about it. Car control is learned by controlling a car that is hardly under control. For most people I've instructed, they lean on it far too heavily leaving them vulnerable if they were to turn it off. Teaches some bad habits IMO.
10-14-2012, 04:16 PM
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I would advise drivers to do a wet autocross or wet handling course to improve their driving. Leaning on TC isn't making you a better driver IMO. You can drive on it for years, and still not be prepared for an unexpected slip of the wheel (with it off) because that stuff doesn't prepare you for it (reactions, etc.). I would tell beginners to stay on it until they know what they are doing, but that's about it. Car control is learned by controlling a car that is hardly under control. For most people I've instructed, they lean on it far too heavily leaving them vulnerable if they were to turn it off. Teaches some bad habits IMO.
There are a couple of situations where it's necessary to change the line and inputs to "satisfy" PSM, but all in all, I don't find any of these adjustments to be slower. If anything, I'd encourage 997.2 drivers to stay in PSM and use it as a guide to improve their driving. : )
Made me a smoother and faster driver for sure. Like having a pro coach in the car all the time. Riding with Cass Whitehead two years ago into T14 at TH in the demo GTS and experiencing him rotating the car under trailbrake with SC/TC turned on (and turning 2:03's) was a pivotal moment in my driving education.