Will 450hp be Enough for 991 GT3?
06-24-2012, 05:27 AM
#61
gotta figure the GT3 will have 465-475hp- I doubt the "normal" GT3 will approach 500 as they have to leave some room for exclusivity (aka more $$) for the RS when it bows eventually.
sadly- the only thing exclusive about the 4.0L RS in three years will be the metzger engine; the new 991RS will definitely be same HP (~500), front aero bits, etc etc.
GT3 HP through the last few years:
1999: 996GT3.1 (non-us car) 361hp
2004: 996GT3.2 380hp
2007: 997GT3.1 415hp
2010: 997GT3 3.8 435hp
2010: 997 GT3 3.8 RS 450hp
my guess-
991GT3 470HP
991GT3RS 500HP
anything less and I don't see the point of people upgrading (other than those wanting to get into an optional PDK GT3)- the 3.8RS is PLENTY of car to horse around with on the track and in another 2 years will be that much cheaper.
compared to the 570-600HP range of gallardo, MP4, 458 corsa (all almost twice the price of a GT3 new) or the 600HP viper and chevy cars...the GT3 becomes a less attractive option for the TRACK ONLY crowd-
if you're going to trailer something to the track, might as well be as cheap, as fast, and as easy to find parts as possible. the strength of the GT3 over all of these aforementioned cars over the years has been durability- you really can beat the hell out of it and drive it home (as long as you don't hit anything) but if you're gonna go full race tires and trailer it...lots more options will always exist.
sadly- the only thing exclusive about the 4.0L RS in three years will be the metzger engine; the new 991RS will definitely be same HP (~500), front aero bits, etc etc.
GT3 HP through the last few years:
1999: 996GT3.1 (non-us car) 361hp
2004: 996GT3.2 380hp
2007: 997GT3.1 415hp
2010: 997GT3 3.8 435hp
2010: 997 GT3 3.8 RS 450hp
my guess-
991GT3 470HP
991GT3RS 500HP
anything less and I don't see the point of people upgrading (other than those wanting to get into an optional PDK GT3)- the 3.8RS is PLENTY of car to horse around with on the track and in another 2 years will be that much cheaper.
compared to the 570-600HP range of gallardo, MP4, 458 corsa (all almost twice the price of a GT3 new) or the 600HP viper and chevy cars...the GT3 becomes a less attractive option for the TRACK ONLY crowd-
if you're going to trailer something to the track, might as well be as cheap, as fast, and as easy to find parts as possible. the strength of the GT3 over all of these aforementioned cars over the years has been durability- you really can beat the hell out of it and drive it home (as long as you don't hit anything) but if you're gonna go full race tires and trailer it...lots more options will always exist.
The 415hp in my 997.1 seems very long in the tooth right now. However, the 450 from the lower geared 3.8RS is plenty, and the laptime potential of this car is remarkable, it is leaps and bounds better than the 997.2 and certainly any 997.1.
The 991 will have to CLEARLY eclipse the 997.2RS - a big ask and very tantalizing since that means we will have ourselves a hell of a car.
06-24-2012, 10:35 AM
#63
Back to the topic of is 450hp enough for new gt3, I personally think it will have 470hp due to fact Porsche have announced a 430hp power kit for the carrera s already. Also on Friday I was doing a trackday at the nurburgring and had the pleasure of chasing a new carrera s for 2laps and it was quicker than I expected, we where both lapping just under8 min B to G and I was very surprised at how quick this car was in a straight line (pdk car) I remember thinking during the first lap if this is the standard carrera s the gt3 is gonna be mega fast!!!
06-24-2012, 11:16 AM
#64
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Besides bragging rights when you talk to someone about the car in a Starbucks parking lot...what the heck are you going to do with that 500 HP? I have been to plenty of track events with GT3 RS and Vettes and Ferraris...i have yet to see one driven to full potential. In fact there are plenty of us here that take our beater 944's and lap Mid Ohio 10-15 seconds faster than these 500 HP cars. I guess what I'm saying is what arevyou going to do with the HP? Most certainly can't use it and very few need it.
06-24-2012, 11:33 AM
#65
Nordschleife Master
Besides bragging rights when you talk to someone about the car in a Starbucks parking lot...what the heck are you going to do with that 500 HP? I have been to plenty of track events with GT3 RS and Vettes and Ferraris...i have yet to see one driven to full potential. In fact there are plenty of us here that take our beater 944's and lap Mid Ohio 10-15 seconds faster than these 500 HP cars. I guess what I'm saying is what arevyou going to do with the HP? Most certainly can't use it and very few need it.
06-24-2012, 12:01 PM
#67
Race Director
Besides bragging rights when you talk to someone about the car in a Starbucks parking lot...what the heck are you going to do with that 500 HP? I have been to plenty of track events with GT3 RS and Vettes and Ferraris...i have yet to see one driven to full potential. In fact there are plenty of us here that take our beater 944's and lap Mid Ohio 10-15 seconds faster than these 500 HP cars. I guess what I'm saying is what arevyou going to do with the HP? Most certainly can't use it and very few need it.
However I know the point you are making and I think your way when some of the other GT3/RS cars give me in my "lowly wanna be"(nj-gt) Carrera GtS gets point by's
If Porsche prices keep going the way they are and the 991 GT3 is around $150k Porsche better make the car a lot faster and ultra reliable than a $70k Corvette!
06-24-2012, 12:09 PM
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Ir fuel yes that's the car a goldy 991s, the driver seemed to know his way around the ring, but it surprised me how fast it was down the straights ( and round the corners)
06-24-2012, 01:05 PM
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Relative value compared to HP bragging rights is a completely different argument! My opinion is that the horsepower wars are a pointless pursuit.
06-24-2012, 06:11 PM
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i would be happy with 300hp and a manual tranny.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoSd...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoSd...eature=related
Just a comment on the thread. IMHO you're all beating a dead horse regarding this HP issue.
As I see it Porsche will manufacture what it wants. We have zero input.
So whatever comes, comes. If you like it and can afford it, buy it.
If you don't like it you spend your money on another manufacture.
Period. Once a grunt, always a grunt.
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06-24-2012, 08:39 PM
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Great video. Have always loved the 993 3.8RSR platform. Regret ever selling the one I had 1997-2000. Cars like that should be keepers.
Just a comment on the thread. IMHO you're all beating a dead horse regarding this HP issue.
As I see it Porsche will manufacture what it wants. We have zero input.
So whatever comes, comes. If you like it and can afford it, buy it.
If you don't like it you spend your money on another manufacture.
Period. Once a grunt, always a grunt.
Ranger (Sua Sponte)
Just a comment on the thread. IMHO you're all beating a dead horse regarding this HP issue.
As I see it Porsche will manufacture what it wants. We have zero input.
So whatever comes, comes. If you like it and can afford it, buy it.
If you don't like it you spend your money on another manufacture.
Period. Once a grunt, always a grunt.
Ranger (Sua Sponte)
Besides bragging rights when you talk to someone about the car in a Starbucks parking lot...what the heck are you going to do with that 500 HP? I have been to plenty of track events with GT3 RS and Vettes and Ferraris...i have yet to see one driven to full potential. In fact there are plenty of us here that take our beater 944's and lap Mid Ohio 10-15 seconds faster than these 500 HP cars. I guess what I'm saying is what arevyou going to do with the HP? Most certainly can't use it and very few need it.
06-24-2012, 08:52 PM
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i would be happy with 300hp and a manual tranny.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoSd...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoSd...eature=related
Love teh French hand gestures
06-24-2012, 09:22 PM
#73
Race Director
Funny...it's storming here real bad, I'm really bored and I surfed over to the Corvette forum....there is a post there about the same exact thing..." Will 4xxhp Be Enough For The New C7 Corvette?
06-24-2012, 10:14 PM
#74
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In any case 4xx won't be enough for 'Vettes or GT3s...it'll be more than enough for most of the people who drive them though. Whether they know it or not.
06-24-2012, 10:19 PM
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