Wow- that is pretty complicated.

What would be cool would be a streetable version of a sequential shifter! We would probably all like that.

 

I was waiting for something very bad to happen ...

what an amazing 3.8 CS ...

 

+1 good post.

 

I personally hope that both markets (manual & PDK) are satisfied; I personally find that the mastery of the manual transmission adds to the involvement of driving the car well at speed... and no I will never be able to shift as fast or as smoothly as a PDK (thats not important to me) ... if I could I would/should have been at Le Mans last weekend!

I do not see why (since a manual already exists for the 991 and every GT3 up to now has had a manual) that the next GT3 would not have that option also, and I hope for those of you who need, like and/or want a PDK in that car, that your wishes are granted!

we all win ... so we can all move along now ... there is nothing to see here (yet)...

 

I'm with Rad on this one, I would prefer a Ferrari type single clutch sequential over PDK. PDK does not fit the mantra of the GT3. I think the market for PDK in Porsche's is "faux" as most of the people who buy them will move on to the next thing with lots of gadgets, and even the Porsche enthusiasts who are old school will never get one, or get bored and get rid of them too. I don't think it will stick.

I think the 991 will be the new 996, lots of major changes and advancements, but a big deviation from the Porsche "standard" and the following 911 will feature a return to roots (I.E. 997).

 

All of you who have not spent any time on the track with pdk have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Don't hold back bionic man

 

I've driven a PDK C2S with PDK on track and was very impressed ... I just dont want one, but I want all of us to have the choice of either!

I dont see why we are arguing here ... there doesn't have to be a winner and loser here as long as Porsche offers both transmissions ... and IMHO if they offer it on the C2S I dont see why they would not offer it on the GT3's unless is sufficiently sh*t that it doesn't work ...

 

Considering Porsche has pioneered the PDK in it's race cars almost 30 years ago is certainly sufficient reason (as if there aren't many more technical ones) for choosing dual clutch transmission over a single clutch sequential.

I think Porsche will address both markets, but yes, the transmissions will be the same I'm sure of it- the volume just won't justify two unique transmissions.

Everything will be fine, just breathe...

 

PDK is a gigantic weight penalty.

Based on the info from 911SLOW, the 7-speed manual is 200 lbs, that's a lot of weight just for the gearbox. PDK is even heavier at 245 lbs (using the Porsche weight difference between 7-speed manual and PDK).

When I shipped my 996 GT3 G96 transmission to Copans, it was a total weight of 192 lbs. The weight included an igloo 150qt cooler I bought at Walmart and served as a crate to/from Copans, the cooler itself was 24 lbs. We took out the transmission cooler to make the gearbox fit in the igloo cooler, but the transmission cooler must be in between 5 and 10 lbs on weight. My guess is that a 996 GT3 transmission (same one used by the 997.1 and 997.2 GT3) is somewhere 173 and 178 lbs without oil, as I did drain the oil. Add another 8 lbs on oil, and it is still lighter than the new 7-speed manual in the Carrera S.

Very likely, Porsche will need to add extra cooling to this 7-speed manual for the GT3 application, and final weight might increase over the Carrera S transmission weight. The PDK will be adding near 100 lbs compared to the 997.2 GT3 transmission.

No thanks.

 

The PDK in your wannabe-Aero Beetle hurts more than it helps. It is too much extra weight in the wrong axle.

 

False..... But no need to get riled up, people just sharing opinions.


That's right, and there is a reason it took them almost 30 years to actually use it in a broad range of cars, given the performance/efficiency perks.

An F1 type tranny fits Porsche's ideals and design philosophy better. Dual Clutch and GT3 just don't even sound right together (IMO). It's an identity crisis, trying to breed analog with digital.

 

Yet the new GT3 is rumored to be be almost 90lbs lighter than the current 3 with at least the same HP as today's RS. There are apparently other mitigating factors to the weight of the transmission which haven't been revealed, even if one assumes the spec of the current PDK won't be further developed for a GT application. IAE, I'm less concerned about the weight of individual components and more about how the total package goes together; something which no one outside of Porsche really knows yet.

 

I get that...that is fine...I just don't understand why most everyone hear puts PDK down? Especially when none of them have any real experience with PDK. they have no idea what the heck they are talking about. I respect most everyone on these forums...untill lately...I can now see who is full of themselves and really know nothing.

I haven't driven a GT2, Turbo, GT3, Fiat, Vette and so forth on a track...which car is better...maybe the guy making $50k a year driving the 20 year old gutted Miata or BMW is a better driver than all of us....who really knows or cares....I'm just happy to drive on the track with some people I consider friends. I never think my car is better than someone else's car...at least we are out there on the track doing what we love.

 

No know nothing you monkey....PDK is 60lbs more than the outgoing 6 speed manual....but...from what I've heard that PDK has been lightened for the 991.

At least my "wannabe" aero beetle can finish a DE and in between session I can sit a relax with the "real" aero beetles while you work on the Fiat. I'll pit next to you next time for some entertainment.