2013 991 GT3
05-26-2012, 06:20 PM
#92
05-26-2012, 09:50 PM
#93
05-29-2012, 08:09 AM
#94
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Paddle Shift
Rumor has it over here that the 991 GT3/RS may as well have only PDK and no manual anymore 
.
Think about it:
PDK is faster
No more over-revving
No more over stressed cam adjusters due to high rpm differences when downshifting – always perfectly matched revs
No more wrong gear selection
No more missed shifts
No more PP exploding
Etc.
Who cares about “less involvement”?
Hard to justify all the cost for a few die-hards who still want a manual
Well, I like the involvement of a manual gearbox but I guess at the end of the day it is (always) lap times that count for the track rat and even more in competition.
At the last 24 hrs race on the Nordschleife the top cars (Manthey) had also paddle shift ….
Two hearts are in my chest ….
BTW: I have signed an option on a 991GT3RS. No deposit required – just a signature. But damn it – I am only # 2 in line at my PC. But that does not worry me. They managed to get 4 (four) RS4.0.
So take it easy and be patient until more “official” information will leak
Peter
PS.: If I can manage I will keep my 997.2RS with the Mezger eninge
.Think about it:
PDK is faster
No more over-revving
No more over stressed cam adjusters due to high rpm differences when downshifting – always perfectly matched revs
No more wrong gear selection
No more missed shifts
No more PP exploding
Etc.
Who cares about “less involvement”?
Hard to justify all the cost for a few die-hards who still want a manual
Well, I like the involvement of a manual gearbox but I guess at the end of the day it is (always) lap times that count for the track rat and even more in competition.
At the last 24 hrs race on the Nordschleife the top cars (Manthey) had also paddle shift ….
Two hearts are in my chest ….
BTW: I have signed an option on a 991GT3RS. No deposit required – just a signature. But damn it – I am only # 2 in line at my PC. But that does not worry me. They managed to get 4 (four) RS4.0.
So take it easy and be patient until more “official” information will leak
Peter
PS.: If I can manage I will keep my 997.2RS with the Mezger eninge
05-29-2012, 09:05 AM
#95
Rumor has it over here that the 991 GT3/RS may as well have only PDK and no manual anymore .
Think about it:
PDK is faster
No more over-revving
No more over stressed cam adjusters due to high rpm differences when downshifting – always perfectly matched revs
No more wrong gear selection
No more missed shifts
No more PP exploding
Etc.
Who cares about “less involvement”?
Hard to justify all the cost for a few die-hards who still want a manual
Well, I like the involvement of a manual gearbox but I guess at the end of the day it is (always) lap times that count for the track rat and even more in competition.
At the last 24 hrs race on the Nordschleife the top cars (Manthey) had also paddle shift ….
Two hearts are in my chest ….
BTW: I have signed an option on a 991GT3RS. No deposit required – just a signature. But damn it – I am only # 2 in line at my PC. But that does not worry me. They managed to get 4 (four) RS4.0.
So take it easy and be patient until more “official” information will leak
Peter
PS.: If I can manage I will keep my 997.2RS with the Mezger eninge
.Think about it:
PDK is faster
No more over-revving
No more over stressed cam adjusters due to high rpm differences when downshifting – always perfectly matched revs
No more wrong gear selection
No more missed shifts
No more PP exploding
Etc.
Who cares about “less involvement”?
Hard to justify all the cost for a few die-hards who still want a manual
Well, I like the involvement of a manual gearbox but I guess at the end of the day it is (always) lap times that count for the track rat and even more in competition.
At the last 24 hrs race on the Nordschleife the top cars (Manthey) had also paddle shift ….
Two hearts are in my chest ….
BTW: I have signed an option on a 991GT3RS. No deposit required – just a signature. But damn it – I am only # 2 in line at my PC. But that does not worry me. They managed to get 4 (four) RS4.0.
So take it easy and be patient until more “official” information will leak
Peter
PS.: If I can manage I will keep my 997.2RS with the Mezger eninge
You know even if Porsche go PDK, the die hards have nowhere else to go if they want a new car. No one is making manuals anymore.
05-29-2012, 02:13 PM
#96
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Was thinking about joining the mancation at some tracks, but I have other plans.
Rumor has it over here that the 991 GT3/RS may as well have only PDK and no manual anymore .
Think about it:
PDK is faster
No more over-revving
No more over stressed cam adjusters due to high rpm differences when downshifting – always perfectly matched revs
No more wrong gear selection
No more missed shifts
No more PP exploding
Etc.
Who cares about “less involvement”?
Hard to justify all the cost for a few die-hards who still want a manual
Well, I like the involvement of a manual gearbox but I guess at the end of the day it is (always) lap times that count for the track rat and even more in competition.
At the last 24 hrs race on the Nordschleife the top cars (Manthey) had also paddle shift ….
Two hearts are in my chest ….
BTW: I have signed an option on a 991GT3RS. No deposit required – just a signature. But damn it – I am only # 2 in line at my PC. But that does not worry me. They managed to get 4 (four) RS4.0.
So take it easy and be patient until more “official” information will leak
Peter
PS.: If I can manage I will keep my 997.2RS with the Mezger eninge
.Think about it:
PDK is faster
No more over-revving
No more over stressed cam adjusters due to high rpm differences when downshifting – always perfectly matched revs
No more wrong gear selection
No more missed shifts
No more PP exploding
Etc.
Who cares about “less involvement”?
Hard to justify all the cost for a few die-hards who still want a manual
Well, I like the involvement of a manual gearbox but I guess at the end of the day it is (always) lap times that count for the track rat and even more in competition.
At the last 24 hrs race on the Nordschleife the top cars (Manthey) had also paddle shift ….
Two hearts are in my chest ….
BTW: I have signed an option on a 991GT3RS. No deposit required – just a signature. But damn it – I am only # 2 in line at my PC. But that does not worry me. They managed to get 4 (four) RS4.0.
So take it easy and be patient until more “official” information will leak
Peter
PS.: If I can manage I will keep my 997.2RS with the Mezger eninge
At the track I still don't see many paddle shift cars. Even Porsche's. And the ones that do are certainly not track rats, they are just there for their first time and plan on going once a year or something.
05-29-2012, 04:56 PM
#97
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+1
I think it's great that they're going to offer the 991 GT3 in PDK, but it'd be a huge disappointment if that's all Porsche offers. I have always viewed Porsche as the last man standing with respect to manual transmissions; Ferrari and Lamborghini gave up on them this/last year...
I think it's great that they're going to offer the 991 GT3 in PDK, but it'd be a huge disappointment if that's all Porsche offers. I have always viewed Porsche as the last man standing with respect to manual transmissions; Ferrari and Lamborghini gave up on them this/last year...
05-30-2012, 02:48 PM
#101
Extension of Porsche Approved Warranty FTW I would say
05-30-2012, 05:57 PM
#102
Nordschleife Master
05-31-2012, 09:21 AM
#105
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That car is ready for production.
They already posted a 7:40 lap at the Ring with a 991S on street tires (very likely Pilot Super Sports), a time as fast as the old 2010 GT3 3.8.
They only need to post a faster lap time with the 991 GT3 on track compound, announce the much lighter chassis, prepare marketing material, and start taking money from the next round of buyers.
The PDK will make it the best ever GT3 sales success. With the PDK alone, they can beat the old car 1/4 mile, 0-60 mph times. The 991 S is already available with 424Hp (powerkit), so it should be easy to get 451 Hp in the new 991GT3 (1 more HP than the previous 997GT3RS). Then 475Hp for the RS, and a far away 4.0RS with 525Hp in 5 years or so.
I hope it pushes the 997.1 prices down the toilet, so I can grab a 997.1 RS on the cheap.
I'm not at all interested in the gizmo loaded 991 GT3, more gizmos than a 458 Italia plus the burden of failing center locks. In the meantime, VW is still racing on the old engine, with no intentions to even do testing on the 9A1 under race conditions, which in my opinion diminishes the value of the GT3 badge down to nothing in the 991 series.
They already posted a 7:40 lap at the Ring with a 991S on street tires (very likely Pilot Super Sports), a time as fast as the old 2010 GT3 3.8.
They only need to post a faster lap time with the 991 GT3 on track compound, announce the much lighter chassis, prepare marketing material, and start taking money from the next round of buyers.
The PDK will make it the best ever GT3 sales success. With the PDK alone, they can beat the old car 1/4 mile, 0-60 mph times. The 991 S is already available with 424Hp (powerkit), so it should be easy to get 451 Hp in the new 991GT3 (1 more HP than the previous 997GT3RS). Then 475Hp for the RS, and a far away 4.0RS with 525Hp in 5 years or so.
I hope it pushes the 997.1 prices down the toilet, so I can grab a 997.1 RS on the cheap.
I'm not at all interested in the gizmo loaded 991 GT3, more gizmos than a 458 Italia plus the burden of failing center locks. In the meantime, VW is still racing on the old engine, with no intentions to even do testing on the 9A1 under race conditions, which in my opinion diminishes the value of the GT3 badge down to nothing in the 991 series.