"Flying Dutchman or any of the trained Aero Beetle GT3 boys" vs. FIAT Challenge
03-03-2012, 08:56 AM
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We all Dyno before, stock tune
03-03-2012, 10:29 AM
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My Fiat put less power down (397whp), no wings, no splitters, no dive planes, no gurney lip, no short diameter tires, no monster traction, 7 secs slower at the Nurburgring, old A6, and a much worse driver, still the Aero Beetles can't catch it.
...and I have data comparing A6 to Michelin slicks, dream on for thinking they have similar grip, I have driven on them many times. Remember, I ran slicks for 4 years.
New Challenge (called at Winterfest and no takers): Best Aero Beetle lap + Best Fiat lap, this much worse drover against any of the much better drivers.
Warmup lap, 2 hot laps, a cool down. Next NASA Time Trials at Sebring. Takers?
...and I have data comparing A6 to Michelin slicks, dream on for thinking they have similar grip, I have driven on them many times. Remember, I ran slicks for 4 years.
New Challenge (called at Winterfest and no takers): Best Aero Beetle lap + Best Fiat lap, this much worse drover against any of the much better drivers.
Warmup lap, 2 hot laps, a cool down. Next NASA Time Trials at Sebring. Takers?
The A6s are 2 seconds faster than the R6s on a 2 minute track. I have no idea what an RA1 can do but the 888s are 2 seconds slower than the R6.
03-03-2012, 01:28 PM
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How do I get in on this? i can be the "impartial driver"... 
03-03-2012, 02:25 PM
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"Flying Dutchman or any of the trained Aero Beetle GT3 boys" vs. FIAT Challenge
Multiple challenge options:
Option 1: 30 minutes track session at Sebring where the Aero Beetle boys have plenty of experience. Traqmate onboard, video onboard, whoever covers the longest distance in 30 minutes. We need zero traffic.
Option 2: NASA Time Trials. Aero Beetle and Fiat run in TTU. Fastest Lap time posted by NASA in the results.
Option 3 (my favorite): Driver1: Fastest Lap in Aero Beetle+Fastest Lap in Fiat. Driver2: Fastest Lap in Aero Beetle+Fastest Lap in Fiat. This is a driver's challenge rather than a car challenge. Also possible with NASA Time Trials.
Aero Beetle and Fiat on Hoosier R6, because they are 2 secs slower than A6 and 2 secs faster than RA1, so Reter will lap in 2:15 and I will lap in 2:19 an easy win for him (or anyone else up for the challenge).
I don't know how to drive an Aero Beetle, and my FIAT is the easiest car to drive with all its nannies and buttons. No RA1 made on 19" wheels. Fiat and Aero Beetle on steel brakes and PFC08 brake pads. Splitters, wings, and dive planes allowed, stock or aftermarket.
Option 4: Pro-Driver for the day to lap in both cars, and set a time benchmark to show the world my vastly inferior droving skills, and the magnificent superior and outstanding Aero Beetle boys driving level. The controlled driver and the 2 challenge drivers get to drive both cars.
Any takers? bets?
Option 1: 30 minutes track session at Sebring where the Aero Beetle boys have plenty of experience. Traqmate onboard, video onboard, whoever covers the longest distance in 30 minutes. We need zero traffic.
Option 2: NASA Time Trials. Aero Beetle and Fiat run in TTU. Fastest Lap time posted by NASA in the results.
Option 3 (my favorite): Driver1: Fastest Lap in Aero Beetle+Fastest Lap in Fiat. Driver2: Fastest Lap in Aero Beetle+Fastest Lap in Fiat. This is a driver's challenge rather than a car challenge. Also possible with NASA Time Trials.
Aero Beetle and Fiat on Hoosier R6, because they are 2 secs slower than A6 and 2 secs faster than RA1, so Reter will lap in 2:15 and I will lap in 2:19 an easy win for him (or anyone else up for the challenge).
I don't know how to drive an Aero Beetle, and my FIAT is the easiest car to drive with all its nannies and buttons. No RA1 made on 19" wheels. Fiat and Aero Beetle on steel brakes and PFC08 brake pads. Splitters, wings, and dive planes allowed, stock or aftermarket.
Option 4: Pro-Driver for the day to lap in both cars, and set a time benchmark to show the world my vastly inferior droving skills, and the magnificent superior and outstanding Aero Beetle boys driving level. The controlled driver and the 2 challenge drivers get to drive both cars.
Any takers? bets?
03-03-2012, 02:30 PM
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The same lack of wings, hurts on corner speeds, so time is lost there.
03-03-2012, 02:37 PM
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Way to throw down the gauntlet, Rad! This is going to be fun. Need a few more rules like, can't use the, oh I boiled my brake fluid going into 17, my tires were old, insert other worn out excuse here==>!
Great challenge!
Great challenge!
03-03-2012, 04:36 PM
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I bet money on the Dutchman. He will CRUSH YOU!! and I will film it. Be careful what you ask for. Ferrari Ambassador, what a joke.... Why not make it Daytona or you haven't got the *****?
03-03-2012, 04:41 PM
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Rad this is awesome! I've appointed myself as the event official photographer.
How much does it cost to rent Senring for a day... We could hold a nice DE and do this challenge?
How much does it cost to rent Senring for a day... We could hold a nice DE and do this challenge?
03-03-2012, 05:12 PM
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Yes baby, I want to watch this... We need someone else to elaborate the rules. I like that you have multiple options though. I think it should be an endurance race. My two cs.
03-03-2012, 05:45 PM
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Option one sounds good.
Why not 45 mins as I suggested? Fiats don't last that long.
If someone donates a set R6 and rents the track it's OK with me! But I don't mind open passing either.
All the other options are convoluted non sense to shine in the one lap wonder.
Why not 45 mins as I suggested? Fiats don't last that long.
If someone donates a set R6 and rents the track it's OK with me! But I don't mind open passing either.
All the other options are convoluted non sense to shine in the one lap wonder.
03-03-2012, 05:59 PM
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I would vote for Option 4. Pay my transportation + hotel, and indemnify me, and it's DONE.