AYHSMB

While sort of a pain, I think it's nice to see PCA step up and address this issue, rather than playing politics with PCNA.

Also IMO water wetter is always a good idea. I would feel safer if all cars were required to run it.

Turn3 Autosport

^^^^^ PCA is not addressing the issue, they are playing a game called "Cover Your A$$". They are trying to limit their exposure to liability in the event of an incedent at an event they are hosting. Their chioce of wording and recommended solutions is interesting in the OP's copied text.

They are not doing any lobbying for members to get a known issue resolved through this, they are just looking out for #1.

DRPM

Francois
Please tell me which month of excellence had the article.
thanks
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FFaust

Comprehensive article is in the February 2011 issue, and they then answer readers' related questions in a few of the subsequent issues, including the November 2011 issue.

FFaust

Jeff, I understand what you are saying, and generally agree.

However, just as the referenced Excellence article has done, this will help to make aware another segment of the the ownership, those who do DE's with the PCA.

At some point, if PAG gets it from all sides, they may no longer be able to deny knowledge, and will have to address the issue .

PAG or PCNA have stepped up to the plate in many cases, on an individual basis, and have covered repairs for failures that have occurred outside of the scope of the warranty (engines, centerlocks, etc.). IOW, they have done the right thing.

I just can't understand that there hasn't been anything yet to address this one, even if there was to be "some" cost to the owners. An official solution that doesn't void the warranty, and that is endorsed by Porsche...

007DT

+1. NASA Requires it for all race cars.. Not sure of DE or not. I think it is a great idea for all cars to have it.. Just a PITA for those dual purpose cars as I understand that it doesn't do the best job in a street application?

Crazy Canuck

I've been running water and water wetter for over 2 seasons.
I know of several 996/997 GT3s and Turbos that have blown coolant fittings including one right in front of me at Calabogie and another right in front of me going into the bus stop at Watkins Glen with a full head of steam. Thank God I was passing a car and was offline at the time.

Temps in my car have gone down.

Its only a matter of time until one of my fittings blows.

scott40

Using water with water wetter sounds like an option, however for those of us with a winter season, it does require a flush in the fall and fill with glycol based coolant, followed by an exchange in the spring, every season. Not a cost free option. It would be nice to see Porsche develop a solution.

Turn3 Autosport

I agree with everything you say. Any extra light that can get shed certainly may hopefully influence Porsche to do the right thing. So from that standpoint, they are helping. I just found the PCA wording a wee bit like grandstanding and protectionism, that is all...

But if it helps owners, then it is all good.

Cheers

Crazy Canuck

Mine is parked in heated storage all winter. No need to flush 2x a year.

brownan

I ran Water Wetter all last season which was 21 DE days. Works perfectly well and if nothing else gives one confidence that if there is a failure it won't likely result in a potentially big off.

Renn 951

That may be a false confidence. In the June 2011 Excellence they did a follow-up on whether Water Wetter provides an acceptable alternative. They cite a technical paper published by Red Line (makers of Water Wetter) which concluded that a surface covered with plain water or a 3 percent Water Wetter solution will reduce friction relative to dry pavement by 50 percent. With a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water the friction is reduced by another 5-15 percent.

So yes, Water Wetter is not as slippery as anitfreeze, but it's a marginal improvement and if coolant is dumped where tires are being worked near their limit the car is still going off.

From the track management's standpoint, I have heard that they prefer Water Wetter because they can clean it up faster than an antifreeze dump.

996FLT6

^So u choose to not to do nething and keep things as they are? Regards. Mike

Renn 951

Mike - no, that's not what I said at all. Please read it over again - Water Wetter by itself does not seem to be an answer to the problem. People shouldn't get a false sense of security that they and others are "safe" just because they are running straight water or a Water Wetter solution.

paver

for the folks who run water wetter on a regular basis, have you ever got the buildup mentioned in this thread?

https://rennlist.com/forums/general-...-heads-up.html