2012 Z06 Ring Time Of 7:22:68
06-24-2011, 01:20 AM
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why? i ran AX with corvette club enough times to realize Z06 is a fine car, they do very fast laps in good hands. may be it has much less mystique than any p-car but it still can run.
and if you put in good seats, better brakes, may be different shocks and it will be quite fast. same things you do to e36m3 to enhance it, or what i did to my c2 one can do to z06. they all are fine cars, no reason to hate z06. still i personaly like 997 much better, imho it is more fun to drive than z06. but i would never underestimate it.
and if you put in good seats, better brakes, may be different shocks and it will be quite fast. same things you do to e36m3 to enhance it, or what i did to my c2 one can do to z06. they all are fine cars, no reason to hate z06. still i personaly like 997 much better, imho it is more fun to drive than z06. but i would never underestimate it.
In fact, I probably paid the ZR1 with the most generous compliment I 've ever made in RL regarding the "no tomorrow" lap time posted earlier this month. But on the other hand I find this one rather odd , firstly because I have a friend with a ZO6 with whom I have raced against and secondly because 3 seconds in the Ring, (*assuming that the starting and finishing points are identical, and that the track's conditions are quite the same ) cannot be the real gap, when two very similar cars have a power output difference of +100hp and an even bigger one in torque.
That's all..
06-24-2011, 04:17 AM
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guys,
a major factor in that headline 20 second difference is they used a different start method for the lap.
the accepted method for timing the lap at the 'Ring is to do a flying lap start. Porsche, Nissan and others do it this way.
that old Z06 laptime was done with a STANDING START. why they did that i don't know, but clearly the "old" laptime wasn't as good as it should have been.
this current Z06 laptime obviously benefits from the sticky MPSC's and other trick bits, and damn that's an impressive time. but don't get bent out of shape bye the "20 seconds improvement".
not a hater by the way, as i own both Z06 and 997 GT3. love both cars to bits, i really do. gun to my head though, i'd go for the P-car.
every
single
time.
congrats to Team Corvette though. those are some sick numbers, and it means the C7 Z06 (where the crap interior will almost surely be improved) will definitely be a force as well.
cheers
a major factor in that headline 20 second difference is they used a different start method for the lap.
the accepted method for timing the lap at the 'Ring is to do a flying lap start. Porsche, Nissan and others do it this way.
that old Z06 laptime was done with a STANDING START. why they did that i don't know, but clearly the "old" laptime wasn't as good as it should have been.
this current Z06 laptime obviously benefits from the sticky MPSC's and other trick bits, and damn that's an impressive time. but don't get bent out of shape bye the "20 seconds improvement".
not a hater by the way, as i own both Z06 and 997 GT3. love both cars to bits, i really do. gun to my head though, i'd go for the P-car.
every
single
time.
congrats to Team Corvette though. those are some sick numbers, and it means the C7 Z06 (where the crap interior will almost surely be improved) will definitely be a force as well.
cheers
06-24-2011, 04:35 AM
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guys,
a major factor in that headline 20 second difference is they used a different start method for the lap.
the accepted method for timing the lap at the 'Ring is to do a flying lap start. Porsche, Nissan and others do it this way.
that old Z06 laptime was done with a STANDING START. why they did that i don't know, but clearly the "old" laptime wasn't as good as it should have been.
this current Z06 laptime obviously benefits from the sticky MPSC's and other trick bits, and damn that's an impressive time. but don't get bent out of shape bye the "20 seconds improvement".
not a hater by the way, as i own both Z06 and 997 GT3. love both cars to bits, i really do. gun to my head though, i'd go for the P-car.
every
single
time.
congrats to Team Corvette though. those are some sick numbers, and it means the C7 Z06 (where the crap interior will almost surely be improved) will definitely be a force as well.
cheers
a major factor in that headline 20 second difference is they used a different start method for the lap.
the accepted method for timing the lap at the 'Ring is to do a flying lap start. Porsche, Nissan and others do it this way.
that old Z06 laptime was done with a STANDING START. why they did that i don't know, but clearly the "old" laptime wasn't as good as it should have been.
this current Z06 laptime obviously benefits from the sticky MPSC's and other trick bits, and damn that's an impressive time. but don't get bent out of shape bye the "20 seconds improvement".
not a hater by the way, as i own both Z06 and 997 GT3. love both cars to bits, i really do. gun to my head though, i'd go for the P-car.
every
single
time.
congrats to Team Corvette though. those are some sick numbers, and it means the C7 Z06 (where the crap interior will almost surely be improved) will definitely be a force as well.
cheers
The C6 platform is an awesome sports car platform, but of course for some of us 911 fans, performance be damned, as there are other characteristics we value, and I am not talking interiors.
06-24-2011, 04:49 AM
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to add:
This Z06 Corvette was equipped with the Z07 package which includes all the best bits from the ZR1, including Brembo carbon ceramic brakes, Chevrolet’s Performance Tracking Management, Magnetic Selective Ride Control and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure tires; the same super-sticky street-legal tires that the ZR1 was equipped with on its record ride.
This Z06 Corvette was equipped with the Z07 package which includes all the best bits from the ZR1, including Brembo carbon ceramic brakes, Chevrolet’s Performance Tracking Management, Magnetic Selective Ride Control and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure tires; the same super-sticky street-legal tires that the ZR1 was equipped with on its record ride.
06-24-2011, 11:52 AM
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Guys, you have to give GM some credit. This car is probably $100,000 and is only 3 seconds off a brand new GT2 RS which cost $250,000 app. On a 7+ minute course 3 seconds is not that big.
I'm not a big Corvette fan, but you've got to give it to them for a car with this performance.
Out of curiosity what was mkII GT3 RS lap time at the Ring?
I'm not a big Corvette fan, but you've got to give it to them for a car with this performance.
Out of curiosity what was mkII GT3 RS lap time at the Ring?
06-24-2011, 01:36 PM
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The writing has been on the wall for a while now.
Ferrari use V8s
Vettes use V8s
Lambo use V10s
Vipers use V10s
Porsche are great. They really are. I love mine to death. But most of the competition just annihilates P-cars in power and torque.
Porsche's answer is the GT2 - but its still a small engine with huuuuuuuuge boost to compensate.
Closest thing now is the RS4.0. A $185K, limited edition car.
Either the weight needs to come down dramatically, or the power needs to rise (10k rpm would be nice
)
Ferrari use V8s
Vettes use V8s
Lambo use V10s
Vipers use V10s
Porsche are great. They really are. I love mine to death. But most of the competition just annihilates P-cars in power and torque.
Porsche's answer is the GT2 - but its still a small engine with huuuuuuuuge boost to compensate.
Closest thing now is the RS4.0. A $185K, limited edition car.
Either the weight needs to come down dramatically, or the power needs to rise (10k rpm would be nice
)
06-24-2011, 03:22 PM
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The writing has been on the wall for a while now.
Ferrari use V8s
Vettes use V8s
Lambo use V10s
Vipers use V10s
Porsche are great. They really are. I love mine to death. But most of the competition just annihilates P-cars in power and torque.
Porsche's answer is the GT2 - but its still a small engine with huuuuuuuuge boost to compensate.
Closest thing now is the RS4.0. A $185K, limited edition car.
Either the weight needs to come down dramatically, or the power needs to rise (10k rpm would be nice )
Ferrari use V8s
Vettes use V8s
Lambo use V10s
Vipers use V10s
Porsche are great. They really are. I love mine to death. But most of the competition just annihilates P-cars in power and torque.
Porsche's answer is the GT2 - but its still a small engine with huuuuuuuuge boost to compensate.
Closest thing now is the RS4.0. A $185K, limited edition car.
Either the weight needs to come down dramatically, or the power needs to rise (10k rpm would be nice
)The day PAG drops a V8 in a 911, the 911 ceases to exist - just a different car. Some of us do not buy these cars for the ultimate power/performance. We buy it for its unique driving dynamics - and for that even a base Carrera fits the bill.
On that point... when the 911 increases its baseline 4", it moves away from the cherished driving dynamics. It may be a better performing car, but that is not what 911 fans are after. The 911 attraction is its short wheelbase, weight in the rear, that makes the car dance. When the car stops dancing and becomes a balanced vehicle, the 911 dies.
06-24-2011, 03:27 PM
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Guys, you have to give GM some credit. This car is probably $100,000 and is only 3 seconds off a brand new GT2 RS which cost $250,000 app. On a 7+ minute course 3 seconds is not that big.
I'm not a big Corvette fan, but you've got to give it to them for a car with this performance.
I'm not a big Corvette fan, but you've got to give it to them for a car with this performance.
06-24-2011, 03:42 PM
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I thought long and hard about buying a Z06 when I was looking for a GT3... The performance annihilates the GT3, but like many above have said, there is more to it than just numbers.
06-24-2011, 04:56 PM
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Ruf have already fitted their new custom flat-plane 4.5l 550hp V8 in a stock bodyshell, it's lighter with a lower CoG as well.......
06-24-2011, 06:05 PM
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Yeah, DFI & 4 litre engines will carry the 911 for another 5 years. Maybe. But 8 cylinders is a matter of when, not if. By then I'm pretty sure gt3's will be the slowest cars in their segment around a track.
And it will still be a 911. I honestly don't understand WHY Porsche won't just move the engine forward for the gt3's and make it a mid-engine. Then trickle it down to the rest of the range.
The cars were still awesome when they went water cooled. PAG can and will make amazing cars. But when F-cars, Vettes and Vipers are all quicker... oh, and GTRs... makes you wonder why we're making such a fuss. No?