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Possible GT3 down(Ryan Dunn) RIP

 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable View Post
good point ... not sure if we will know since they had to identify him via dental records ...
identified dunn by his tats... that is what I read somewhere...
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LehmanZ06 View Post
Just saw a report on tmz.com

Police reconstructed the crash site. Car hit guardrail, and flew off the road. Cops say car was doing 130mph (not sure how they could know)----but that it was also the worst crash that many of them ever saw.

Drinking + Driving + 130mph = death wish

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PS---just saw some stuff that he was actively involved in different forms of motorsports.

He had to know the risks of doing what he most likely did. Throw in the alcohol to cloud judgement, and a tragic event occurs.
Who knows if he was drunk, but 130 mph and darkness on most roads in the USA is suicidal and homicidal. Limited visibility, reaction time and braking distance at 100 mph mean you're going to hit a brick wall before you see it and before you can slow down enough to survive.

As for the estimation of speed, they use the weight of the car and the deformation of a known object for a given vehicle, roadside or person. Vehicle data will report what the car was doing when the airbags deploy, including vehicle speed, throttle, brake, etc.

My neighbor used to work in the upper ranks of the CHP and we'd sometimes talk about how they operate. Sometimes it's just a cop with a distance wheel measuring tire marks (less useful since ABS, but still useful once a car is spinning or sliding on its roof (or airborne after penetrating a guard rail in this case.) They can plug the numbers into a table of estimates and get an idea of how many units of 10mph the car was likely traveling at that given instant of the whole incident.

I've never seen a recent model 911 so completely shredded -- I'd guesstimate 130 mph on the low side of likely speeds. And most of us here have experienced on track how quickly a GT3 can accelerate past 130 and have a couple more cogs in the box and lot of rpm still to come.

Just for the sake of raising other possible scenarios -- while I imagine the car was at warp speed, once a car has rolled down an embankment and burned, it would look perhaps not dissimilar. Some of the most horrific looking damage is can be just the "jaws of life" used in cutting the car open to extract what remains of the occupants.

Any of the following could be combined with as little as say 72 mph (usually not even a ticket for doing 72 in a 65 zone in California) and result in the same disastrous outcome:

* coolant line bursts
* power steering line bursts
* brake "ice pedal"
* LSD implodes and seizes diff
* anti-sway bar drop link breaks
* centerlock failure

These guys could have been cold sober, drug free and on their way to start an early day of work, doing 70 mph in a 65 zone when one of the things that Porsche knows to be failure-prone on a GT3 jumped out of the scenery and killed these two guys.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:22 PM
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So sad...so unnecessary.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Carrera GT View Post
Any of the following could be combined with as little as say 72 mph (usually not even a ticket for doing 72 in a 65 zone in California) and result in the same disastrous outcome:

* coolant line bursts
* power steering line bursts
* brake "ice pedal"
* LSD implodes and seizes diff
* anti-sway bar drop link breaks
* centerlock failure

These guys could have been cold sober, drug free and on their way to start an early day of work, doing 70 mph in a 65 zone when one of the things that Porsche knows to be failure-prone on a GT3 jumped out of the scenery and killed these two guys.
While I agree that we don't know the facts of this accident I don't think a power steering line failure should cause this (I had it happen to me on the track at pretty high speed. I did go onto the grass but very uneventfully and much slowed down), not at 70 mph. Plenty of time to figure out what to do. Same for the sway bar link. At the speeds where normal state troopers don't bother you there would be very little disturbance to the car and if it happened plenty of time/space to deal with it. Did we even have a complete CL failure, yet? Wheel rolling down the road/track off the car?

Yes, our cars have some foibles but they are not death traps. They seem that way only if you read this forum too much.

We will see if he did indeed go 130 mph or not. I don't deny that its possible that some unfortunate chain of events and conditions could have led to this accident.
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Old 06-22-2011, 04:16 PM
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Toxicology report released... Blood alcohol level of .196 - twice legal limit in PA....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/...v/us_ryan_dunn

NOTE: It seems strange that the results could be posted this fast... I read one report this morning that expects the results from the coroner's office to be released in two weeks.... Perhaps the above link is a hoax?
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Old 06-22-2011, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris R. View Post
Umm, was it clear that he was drunk or are we all jumping to the conclusion that he was? A beer does not put you over the limit and i seriously doubt that there are many people here that have not had a drink and then driven in the next little while after.
If the guys was hammered, then yes, he's an *** and was reckless and killed himself and a passenger which is tragic. I just have not yet seen any proof that he was above the limit.
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My original sentiment as well.

But with the info above, along with USA Today now reporting 23 citations in 13 years (10 for speeding or careless driving, 3 for driving with suspended license, and a DUI in 2005), the public outcry is justified.

And the passenger does not get much sympathy from me for getting into a car with him, drunk or sober.

Somewhere out there, PI attorneys are salivating...
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by blake View Post
NOTE: It seems strange that the results could be posted this fast... I read one report this morning that expects the results from the coroner's office to be released in two weeks.... Perhaps the above link is a hoax?
They are quoting Chief Deputy Coroner David Garver. Google search checks out.

Not a hoax and if a hoax then Patrick Walters and Joann Loviglio of the Associated Press are in deep doodoo. Test results don't take long to produce. A full report is a different matter.

Looks like he was quite drunk. Different people have different tolerance and maybe that's why he appeared ok (I have some friends like that). But certainly too drunk to drive under anyone's definition.

This is what I don't get. The guy seemed like he knew how to drive. Ok so he had a few drinks. At that point it should have been obvious that he can be in trouble driving in his condition. Why go flying down the road? Most drunk drivers are much smarter than that. The cops find drunks by nabbing cars going under the speed limit. That's because they know they are drunk but still want to live. Seems like he took method acting too seriously.

This case is not even that much about drunk driving. It's about reckless driving while drunk. Thankfully that is not as wide spread as regular drunk driving as it's practitioners don't get to do it for too long due to the harsh and cruel laws of physics combining with decreased hand eye coordination and delayed reaction times.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by amaist View Post
They are quoting Chief Deputy Coroner David Garver. Google search checks out.

Not a hoax and if a hoax then Patrick Walters and Joann Loviglio of the Associated Press are in deep doodoo. Test results don't take long to produce. A full report is a different matter.

Looks like he was quite drunk. Different people have different tolerance and maybe that's why he appeared ok (I have some friends like that). But certainly too drunk to drive under anyone's definition.

This is what I don't get. The guy seemed like he knew how to drive. Ok so he had a few drinks. At that point it should have been obvious that he can be in trouble driving in his condition. Why go flying down the road? Most drunk drivers are much smarter than that. The cops find drunks by nabbing cars going under the speed limit. That's because they know they are drunk but still want to live. Seems like he took method acting too seriously.
That's odd every drunk driver story I have had the experience of being a part of was either caught at a DUI checkpoint even when briefed the cops would be out patrolling or the cars were trashed in an accident and the people try to flee on foot. Never met a drunk driver that was 'smarter than that'. Alcohol does so much so quickly to ones brain no matter how 'tolerable' one may seem to be nothing is obvious.

Thanks to my 8 years at Spangdahlem AB, Germany i've seen it all, at one point the number one base in Europe with DUI's.

http://www.spangdahlem.af.mil/news/s...p?id=123194808
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:53 PM
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Police report is out now, Dunn's BAC was .196, legal limit is .08 in that state. Speed was estimated to be around/up to 140mph. Very unfortunate but hopefully a lesson learned to the typical high school crowd who may tend to idolize these people, in that no one is invincible.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Devils Advocate View Post
Police report is out now, Dunn's BAC was .196, legal limit is .08 in that state. Speed was estimated to be around/up to 140mph. Very unfortunate but hopefully a lesson learned to the typical high school crowd who may tend to idolize these people, in that no one is invincible.
Good GOD!! 140 + .196 - Very bad and sad combination!
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:28 PM
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:13 AM
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Crashed within a mile of the bar, so he practically stood on the gas pedal from the second he left the lot.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carrera GT View Post
* coolant line bursts
* power steering line bursts
* brake "ice pedal"
* LSD implodes and seizes diff
* anti-sway bar drop link breaks
* centerlock failure
His 07 GT3 did not have centerlocks. A power steering line burst or coolant line/fitting failure would have left slick evidence on the roadway...

But I'm no detective.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blake View Post
Toxicology report released... Blood alcohol level of .196 - twice legal limit in PA....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/...v/us_ryan_dunn

NOTE: It seems strange that the results could be posted this fast... I read one report this morning that expects the results from the coroner's office to be released in two weeks.... Perhaps the above link is a hoax?
I saw this on the news last night. I haven't heard anything about the passenger being identified. Keep on mind the show was called Jackass for a reason.
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