RS 4.0, I Have a 3 Hour Window to Decide
#16
Rennlist Member
I predict that the 4.0 will depreciate exactly like any RS, maybe worse.
Most people that come to these forums buy their RS to track. With our skills, we will have as much fun in a 996GT3 or a new RS. I don't think these people will pay top dollars for a used 4.0RS to track in a few years time as a used 3.8RS will be a much better buy with very close performance.
For people that will buy this 4.0 as a collector car, well, there are too many special models that come out of Porsche every year. Few years down the road, people may not view this as special any more. I got a 3.8RS, I don't see this 4.0 as something special to me at all. When the next gen GT3RS debuts, Andreas will come out and say it will be the best GT car ever.
Most people that come to these forums buy their RS to track. With our skills, we will have as much fun in a 996GT3 or a new RS. I don't think these people will pay top dollars for a used 4.0RS to track in a few years time as a used 3.8RS will be a much better buy with very close performance.
For people that will buy this 4.0 as a collector car, well, there are too many special models that come out of Porsche every year. Few years down the road, people may not view this as special any more. I got a 3.8RS, I don't see this 4.0 as something special to me at all. When the next gen GT3RS debuts, Andreas will come out and say it will be the best GT car ever.
#17
I have a 430 (not scud) as well. Yes it has depreciated. (60K) So what. Price of admission. Are you going to want another Ferrari in a year and then sell the 4.0? Full disclosure I have no wife and I ignore my GF's.
#19
Rennlist Member
IMO, if well cared for, the 4.0 is going to hold its value very well. While the 991GT3 will probably outperform it, I do not have faith that the 9A1 will be the soulful motor that the Mezger is.
As with the pending demise of the MB AMG 6.2 and BMW M division N/A V8 and V10, emissions regs and corporate profit have paved the way for a different kind of performance car. Technology is making them as fast or faster, but not necessarily better.
As with the pending demise of the MB AMG 6.2 and BMW M division N/A V8 and V10, emissions regs and corporate profit have paved the way for a different kind of performance car. Technology is making them as fast or faster, but not necessarily better.
#20
Rennlist Member
I predict that the 4.0 will depreciate exactly like any RS, maybe worse.
Most people that come to these forums buy their RS to track. With our skills, we will have as much fun in a 996GT3 or a new RS. I don't think these people will pay top dollars for a used 4.0RS to track in a few years time as a used 3.8RS will be a much better buy with very close performance.
For people that will buy this 4.0 as a collector car, well, there are too many special models that come out of Porsche every year. Few years down the road, people may not view this as special any more. I got a 3.8RS, I don't see this 4.0 as something special to me at all. When the next gen GT3RS debuts, Andreas will come out and say it will be the best GT car ever.
Most people that come to these forums buy their RS to track. With our skills, we will have as much fun in a 996GT3 or a new RS. I don't think these people will pay top dollars for a used 4.0RS to track in a few years time as a used 3.8RS will be a much better buy with very close performance.
For people that will buy this 4.0 as a collector car, well, there are too many special models that come out of Porsche every year. Few years down the road, people may not view this as special any more. I got a 3.8RS, I don't see this 4.0 as something special to me at all. When the next gen GT3RS debuts, Andreas will come out and say it will be the best GT car ever.
I agree that it is a mistake to view the 4.0 as a special collector car if you plan on driving it. Now the rumor of another "special" 4.2 Mezger based GT car for 2012 puts the icing on my cake...keeping my 3.8.
#21
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I know this is going to sound odd considering I am concerned with losing money on the 4.0. There will always be a Ferrari in our garage. I have a Ferrari budget and then "other cars" budget. The Scuderia was the first Ferrari I lost money on so I can't complain. Wife knows and understands this even though she wasn't happy about the loss. It's the "other car" budget that I'm concerned with. If that gets depleted then my wife will put her foot down and put an end to my car toys.
#22
At 125hp / liter and at 3000#s if spec'd as a lightweight, for the 9A1 2015gt3 to outperform this 4.0, they are going to have to charge $$$ to get the weight down because I just don't see it with more HP in a NA form. Having driven cars with more HP than the 4.0's 500HP, any 2wdr car with more HP than 500 becomes an exponential handful without very intrusive electronics to keep the car under control. In my opinion, above 500HP, 4wdr becomes 'almost' necessary for mortals to return home alive after a trackday. As an example, lets look at which car won this year's One Lap - a 600HP well prepped GT-r driven by a well known Porsche driver. I can see a 4.0 liter 9A1 2015gt3 with a 450 HP engine whose front wheels are driven by some form of hybrid regenerating electric 50hp engines on each front wheel. This type of car can / will be faster than the 4.0 - and it will cost $200k in the US - but it won't have soul - it will just be fast.
#25
Race Director
IMO, if well cared for, the 4.0 is going to hold its value very well. While the 991GT3 will probably outperform it, I do not have faith that the 9A1 will be the soulful motor that the Mezger is.
As with the pending demise of the MB AMG 6.2 and BMW M division N/A V8 and V10, emissions regs and corporate profit have paved the way for a different kind of performance car. Technology is making them as fast or faster, but not necessarily better.
As with the pending demise of the MB AMG 6.2 and BMW M division N/A V8 and V10, emissions regs and corporate profit have paved the way for a different kind of performance car. Technology is making them as fast or faster, but not necessarily better.
Anyway in 3-4 years the 4.0RS will sell for around the same as a 3.8RS maybe slightly more due to limited production but still highly depreciated. You will have to wait decades to sell this car for what you paid for it.
Look at what the Carrera GT sells for.....it's a limited car too but it depreciated big time.
#26
Burning Brakes
The 4.0 will crash the 30-50k within 2 yrs as all cars do.After the initial nuance wears off it's just another RS.
Besides the 4.2 coming out as 2012 will ensure it.
Besides the 4.2 coming out as 2012 will ensure it.
#27
Racer
Porsche will always produce something incrementally better and faster than their latest and greatest. That has been marketing formula since the first 911s came out. Mark this post, when the next 911 comes out with a 200lb lighter chassis made of a new special high strength alloy steel, and a lighter race bred 600 hp V8 in the back, you will feel the 4.0 was last decade's news.
#28
Burning Brakes
it'll be funny, if this 4.2 will go the way of the Lambo Revention and Aventador. i.e., bigger engine and faster, but cheaper. The price will have to fall back inline to the GT3 price range $130-170k.
#30
Still plays with cars.
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
A couple of things. 1) Unless you want to track the car, don't waste your money on a 4.0
2) Unless someone has seen it in writing from Porsche Directly do not believe the 130 car number. These are things whispered to the press but never substantiated. Porsche will likely build more. See the MK 2 RS for example. Up here, dealers sold more RS than regular GT3s.
3) Expect depreciation unless you hold it for 20 years. The next RS is likely to be a flat 8.
So buy it if you like it but don't consider it an investment. The 996 GT2 and 997 GT2 showed us how badly so called special cars depreciate.
2) Unless someone has seen it in writing from Porsche Directly do not believe the 130 car number. These are things whispered to the press but never substantiated. Porsche will likely build more. See the MK 2 RS for example. Up here, dealers sold more RS than regular GT3s.
3) Expect depreciation unless you hold it for 20 years. The next RS is likely to be a flat 8.
So buy it if you like it but don't consider it an investment. The 996 GT2 and 997 GT2 showed us how badly so called special cars depreciate.