Who is getting a GT2RS ?
01-06-2011, 05:48 AM
#31
Every great strength is an equally great weakness. I think you've hit that strength and weakness -- what's the point of the GT2 RS? Any half-way decent amateur can point and squirt their way round with unbeatable lap times. Just don't be too insane through the turns and let the electronics fill in the skills the driver lacks. What's the point?
01-07-2011, 11:50 AM
#33
Package just arrived yesterday with the piece of tire tread and rectangle of carbon. No sure I would call that a "plaque". The book was nice but I already had that months ago thanks to my (banned) uber salesman Chris Sanner.
I hate to keep being the skunk at the garden party, but given the build up, that was a bit underwhelming?
Owners micro-site is well done though?
See you at El Toro
Who else will out themselves??? No reason not to?
01-07-2011, 01:14 PM
#36
That bit of CF looks nice enough. A pity it's not actually unique to the owner with the car serial number and their name f'risntance. Pretty shallow thinking from the marketing department at Porsche. And I'm not sure why Porsche persists with the elaborate materials and packaging for their Tschotskes -- at least include a "100% recycled materials" or some sincere effort to acknowledge the "conscientious and sustainable" message they're putting on their whole product line.
No matter what they put on a Web site, the half million dollars (gross income before taxes required in the US to write the check for the US$260K +/- sticker ... and paying the sales tax with 50% income-taxed money ... always a joy ...) is a helluva tariff for any Web site, a night in a beach resort hotel bed, a shuttle bus ride to an abandoned air strip and getting thrown around in a Turbo for autocross laps around orange cones ... what does that day cost if considered -- as they propose it -- the new car experience of the GT2 RS ... US$50K? That's silly money, to put it nicely.
While I like the idea of a wide open air strip to practice car control, abandoned air strips are also covered in grit and gravel with bumpy surface changes and no place to take a new car without at least a little bit of 3M on the nose and wheel arches. Those carbon fibre hoods and fenders will have a few blemishes after even a couple of "gentlemanly" laps on the tarmac. I imagine they've got a nice long speed strip for their pro drivers to take dry-mouthed passengers up to 150 mph or whatever. According to Google maps, the full stretch of those runways is 1.5 and 2.0 miles long with run-off, so you could get yourself to lift-off speeds with a running start and curved approach onto the main runway ... hit one end at 50 mph in 2nd and you could be approaching 200 at the other ... I imagine the PCCBs would be good for slowing back down to 50 before the run-off ... at least once ... that could make for some spectacular "bravery."
How does one sell a quarter million dollar "most powerful ever" Porsche and end up at an autocross instead of Laguna Seca or Sears Point? What were they thinking?
No matter what they put on a Web site, the half million dollars (gross income before taxes required in the US to write the check for the US$260K +/- sticker ... and paying the sales tax with 50% income-taxed money ... always a joy ...) is a helluva tariff for any Web site, a night in a beach resort hotel bed, a shuttle bus ride to an abandoned air strip and getting thrown around in a Turbo for autocross laps around orange cones ... what does that day cost if considered -- as they propose it -- the new car experience of the GT2 RS ... US$50K? That's silly money, to put it nicely.
While I like the idea of a wide open air strip to practice car control, abandoned air strips are also covered in grit and gravel with bumpy surface changes and no place to take a new car without at least a little bit of 3M on the nose and wheel arches. Those carbon fibre hoods and fenders will have a few blemishes after even a couple of "gentlemanly" laps on the tarmac. I imagine they've got a nice long speed strip for their pro drivers to take dry-mouthed passengers up to 150 mph or whatever. According to Google maps, the full stretch of those runways is 1.5 and 2.0 miles long with run-off, so you could get yourself to lift-off speeds with a running start and curved approach onto the main runway ... hit one end at 50 mph in 2nd and you could be approaching 200 at the other ... I imagine the PCCBs would be good for slowing back down to 50 before the run-off ... at least once ... that could make for some spectacular "bravery."
How does one sell a quarter million dollar "most powerful ever" Porsche and end up at an autocross instead of Laguna Seca or Sears Point? What were they thinking?
01-07-2011, 03:07 PM
#37
Drifting
I have to laugh at EVO’s comments about the GT2 RS not being as satisfying to drive as the GT3 RS.
This was a common magazine complaint against the 996 and 997 variants of the GT2. Magazine tests of the GT2 always came with the caveat that they were not as satisfying to drive as GT3s because they were basically modified Turbos which were not as track oriented as the GT3s. They always seemed to make the comment that they wished the GT2 was more like the GT3. Now, the new GT2 RS is basically a GT3 RS with a high horsepower TT engine shoehorned into the engine bay and they still make the same comments.
This was a common magazine complaint against the 996 and 997 variants of the GT2. Magazine tests of the GT2 always came with the caveat that they were not as satisfying to drive as GT3s because they were basically modified Turbos which were not as track oriented as the GT3s. They always seemed to make the comment that they wished the GT2 was more like the GT3. Now, the new GT2 RS is basically a GT3 RS with a high horsepower TT engine shoehorned into the engine bay and they still make the same comments.
01-07-2011, 03:09 PM
#38
Rennlist Member
I have to laugh at EVO’s comments about the GT2 RS not being as satisfying to drive as the GT3 RS.
This was a common magazine complaint against the 996 and 997 variants of the GT2. Magazine tests of the GT2 always came with the caveat that they were not as satisfying to drive as GT3s because they were basically modified Turbos which were not as track oriented as the GT3s. They always seemed to make the comment that they wished the GT2 was more like the GT3. Now, the new GT2 RS is basically a GT3 RS with a high horsepower TT engine shoehorned into the engine bay and they still make the same comments.
This was a common magazine complaint against the 996 and 997 variants of the GT2. Magazine tests of the GT2 always came with the caveat that they were not as satisfying to drive as GT3s because they were basically modified Turbos which were not as track oriented as the GT3s. They always seemed to make the comment that they wished the GT2 was more like the GT3. Now, the new GT2 RS is basically a GT3 RS with a high horsepower TT engine shoehorned into the engine bay and they still make the same comments.
01-07-2011, 03:35 PM
#40
I have to laugh at EVO’s comments about the GT2 RS not being as satisfying to drive as the GT3 RS.
This was a common magazine complaint against the 996 and 997 variants of the GT2. Magazine tests of the GT2 always came with the caveat that they were not as satisfying to drive as GT3s because they were basically modified Turbos which were not as track oriented as the GT3s. They always seemed to make the comment that they wished the GT2 was more like the GT3. Now, the new GT2 RS is basically a GT3 RS with a high horsepower TT engine shoehorned into the engine bay and they still make the same comments.
This was a common magazine complaint against the 996 and 997 variants of the GT2. Magazine tests of the GT2 always came with the caveat that they were not as satisfying to drive as GT3s because they were basically modified Turbos which were not as track oriented as the GT3s. They always seemed to make the comment that they wished the GT2 was more like the GT3. Now, the new GT2 RS is basically a GT3 RS with a high horsepower TT engine shoehorned into the engine bay and they still make the same comments.
01-07-2011, 04:54 PM
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That bit of CF looks nice enough. A pity it's not actually unique to the owner with the car serial number and their name f'risntance. Pretty shallow thinking from the marketing department at Porsche. And I'm not sure why Porsche persists with the elaborate materials and packaging for their Tschotskes -- at least include a "100% recycled materials" or some sincere effort to acknowledge the "conscientious and sustainable" message they're putting on their whole product line.
No matter what they put on a Web site, the half million dollars (gross income before taxes required in the US to write the check for the US$260K +/- sticker ... and paying the sales tax with 50% income-taxed money ... always a joy ...) is a helluva tariff for any Web site, a night in a beach resort hotel bed, a shuttle bus ride to an abandoned air strip and getting thrown around in a Turbo for autocross laps around orange cones ... what does that day cost if considered -- as they propose it -- the new car experience of the GT2 RS ... US$50K? That's silly money, to put it nicely.
While I like the idea of a wide open air strip to practice car control, abandoned air strips are also covered in grit and gravel with bumpy surface changes and no place to take a new car without at least a little bit of 3M on the nose and wheel arches. Those carbon fibre hoods and fenders will have a few blemishes after even a couple of "gentlemanly" laps on the tarmac. I imagine they've got a nice long speed strip for their pro drivers to take dry-mouthed passengers up to 150 mph or whatever. According to Google maps, the full stretch of those runways is 1.5 and 2.0 miles long with run-off, so you could get yourself to lift-off speeds with a running start and curved approach onto the main runway ... hit one end at 50 mph in 2nd and you could be approaching 200 at the other ... I imagine the PCCBs would be good for slowing back down to 50 before the run-off ... at least once ... that could make for some spectacular "bravery."
How does one sell a quarter million dollar "most powerful ever" Porsche and end up at an autocross instead of Laguna Seca or Sears Point? What were they thinking?
No matter what they put on a Web site, the half million dollars (gross income before taxes required in the US to write the check for the US$260K +/- sticker ... and paying the sales tax with 50% income-taxed money ... always a joy ...) is a helluva tariff for any Web site, a night in a beach resort hotel bed, a shuttle bus ride to an abandoned air strip and getting thrown around in a Turbo for autocross laps around orange cones ... what does that day cost if considered -- as they propose it -- the new car experience of the GT2 RS ... US$50K? That's silly money, to put it nicely.
While I like the idea of a wide open air strip to practice car control, abandoned air strips are also covered in grit and gravel with bumpy surface changes and no place to take a new car without at least a little bit of 3M on the nose and wheel arches. Those carbon fibre hoods and fenders will have a few blemishes after even a couple of "gentlemanly" laps on the tarmac. I imagine they've got a nice long speed strip for their pro drivers to take dry-mouthed passengers up to 150 mph or whatever. According to Google maps, the full stretch of those runways is 1.5 and 2.0 miles long with run-off, so you could get yourself to lift-off speeds with a running start and curved approach onto the main runway ... hit one end at 50 mph in 2nd and you could be approaching 200 at the other ... I imagine the PCCBs would be good for slowing back down to 50 before the run-off ... at least once ... that could make for some spectacular "bravery."
How does one sell a quarter million dollar "most powerful ever" Porsche and end up at an autocross instead of Laguna Seca or Sears Point? What were they thinking?
01-07-2011, 05:30 PM
#43
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Hasn't anyone told you…… El Toro has been completely destroyed.
That bit of CF looks nice enough. A pity it's not actually unique to the owner with the car serial number and their name f'risntance. Pretty shallow thinking from the marketing department at Porsche. And I'm not sure why Porsche persists with the elaborate materials and packaging for their Tschotskes -- at least include a "100% recycled materials" or some sincere effort to acknowledge the "conscientious and sustainable" message they're putting on their whole product line.
No matter what they put on a Web site, the half million dollars (gross income before taxes required in the US to write the check for the US$260K +/- sticker ... and paying the sales tax with 50% income-taxed money ... always a joy ...) is a helluva tariff for any Web site, a night in a beach resort hotel bed, a shuttle bus ride to an abandoned air strip and getting thrown around in a Turbo for autocross laps around orange cones ... what does that day cost if considered -- as they propose it -- the new car experience of the GT2 RS ... US$50K? That's silly money, to put it nicely.
While I like the idea of a wide open air strip to practice car control, abandoned air strips are also covered in grit and gravel with bumpy surface changes and no place to take a new car without at least a little bit of 3M on the nose and wheel arches. Those carbon fibre hoods and fenders will have a few blemishes after even a couple of "gentlemanly" laps on the tarmac. I imagine they've got a nice long speed strip for their pro drivers to take dry-mouthed passengers up to 150 mph or whatever. According to Google maps, the full stretch of those runways is 1.5 and 2.0 miles long with run-off, so you could get yourself to lift-off speeds with a running start and curved approach onto the main runway ... hit one end at 50 mph in 2nd and you could be approaching 200 at the other ... I imagine the PCCBs would be good for slowing back down to 50 before the run-off ... at least once ... that could make for some spectacular "bravery."
How does one sell a quarter million dollar "most powerful ever" Porsche and end up at an autocross instead of Laguna Seca or Sears Point? What were they thinking?
No matter what they put on a Web site, the half million dollars (gross income before taxes required in the US to write the check for the US$260K +/- sticker ... and paying the sales tax with 50% income-taxed money ... always a joy ...) is a helluva tariff for any Web site, a night in a beach resort hotel bed, a shuttle bus ride to an abandoned air strip and getting thrown around in a Turbo for autocross laps around orange cones ... what does that day cost if considered -- as they propose it -- the new car experience of the GT2 RS ... US$50K? That's silly money, to put it nicely.
While I like the idea of a wide open air strip to practice car control, abandoned air strips are also covered in grit and gravel with bumpy surface changes and no place to take a new car without at least a little bit of 3M on the nose and wheel arches. Those carbon fibre hoods and fenders will have a few blemishes after even a couple of "gentlemanly" laps on the tarmac. I imagine they've got a nice long speed strip for their pro drivers to take dry-mouthed passengers up to 150 mph or whatever. According to Google maps, the full stretch of those runways is 1.5 and 2.0 miles long with run-off, so you could get yourself to lift-off speeds with a running start and curved approach onto the main runway ... hit one end at 50 mph in 2nd and you could be approaching 200 at the other ... I imagine the PCCBs would be good for slowing back down to 50 before the run-off ... at least once ... that could make for some spectacular "bravery."
How does one sell a quarter million dollar "most powerful ever" Porsche and end up at an autocross instead of Laguna Seca or Sears Point? What were they thinking?
01-07-2011, 06:05 PM
#44
Drifting
I cannot see how Porsche would be able to keep new owners of GT2's out of the hedges with a similar format. While I loved the day, there were many clients intimidated by the track portion. People not comfortable around a racetrack probably wouldn't enjoy being pushed to drive quickly in their new car. I also can't begin to imagine the liability in the USA if someone crashed their new car.
I know rennlist in general hates on auto-x, but it's actually a great way to learn about your car in a safe, controlled environment. The biggest negative about auto-x is the waiting around time; if Porsche runs the event well, they can minimize the downtime and the new owners can have a great day with their amazing cars.
01-07-2011, 06:13 PM
#45
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Porsche Cars Canada hosted a day for clients at Mosport in 2009 that I attended. Got the chance to drive pretty much the entire lineup with the exception of the GT cars in (Cayenne off-road) and around (big track as well as an auto-x setup) Mosport.
I cannot see how Porsche would be able to keep new owners of GT2's out of the hedges with a similar format. While I loved the day, there were many clients intimidated by the track portion. People not comfortable around a racetrack probably wouldn't enjoy being pushed to drive quickly in their new car. I also can't begin to imagine the liability in the USA if someone crashed their new car.
I know rennlist in general hates on auto-x, but it's actually a great way to learn about your car in a safe, controlled environment. The biggest negative about auto-x is the waiting around time; if Porsche runs the event well, they can minimize the downtime and the new owners can have a great day with their amazing cars.
I cannot see how Porsche would be able to keep new owners of GT2's out of the hedges with a similar format. While I loved the day, there were many clients intimidated by the track portion. People not comfortable around a racetrack probably wouldn't enjoy being pushed to drive quickly in their new car. I also can't begin to imagine the liability in the USA if someone crashed their new car.
I know rennlist in general hates on auto-x, but it's actually a great way to learn about your car in a safe, controlled environment. The biggest negative about auto-x is the waiting around time; if Porsche runs the event well, they can minimize the downtime and the new owners can have a great day with their amazing cars.