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12-01-2010, 09:43 PM
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Quick question; I understand that N rating not available yet. Does that mean that its best not to put those new supersports on a 997tt yet? Will the N rated ones coming in 2011 going to be much different than the ones available now for porsches?
12-01-2010, 09:48 PM
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It won't be dangerous, but the N spec will handle better than the non homologation tires ...
If you can wait, wait, if not try them anyway ... And await the N specs
Sorry to be less an unequivocal on this...
12-01-2010, 10:05 PM
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12-01-2010, 10:13 PM
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PAG has always stated that the N-spec version is always different from the generic version. Some people deride that as a marketing ploy. I actually think it is not, and it truly reflects a tire design that was optimized between Weissach and Michelin.
As Larry said the difference may not be a big one but why not not get the N-rating? At TireRack I noticed that often the N-rated tire is slightly cheaper than the generic one, and it is never significantly more expensive. Now there are tires that do not have the N-rating and people swear by. It does not mean they are bad, of course, just that they were not considered by Weissach.
As Larry said the difference may not be a big one but why not not get the N-rating? At TireRack I noticed that often the N-rated tire is slightly cheaper than the generic one, and it is never significantly more expensive. Now there are tires that do not have the N-rating and people swear by. It does not mean they are bad, of course, just that they were not considered by Weissach.
12-01-2010, 10:17 PM
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Simple Michelin tire engineers and test drivers get together with Porsche suspension engineers and test drivers and tune the tires construction to optimize it for the 911 ... They might play with the stiffness of the sidewall, or play with the composition of the rubber to change the grip to account for the rear weight bias of the car ...
It's really no different than playing with other components of either your suspension, the geometry, or braking system bias etc ...its just a little harder since you are playing with the construction and nature of the tire ...
It's really no different than playing with other components of either your suspension, the geometry, or braking system bias etc ...its just a little harder since you are playing with the construction and nature of the tire ...
12-01-2010, 10:21 PM
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PAG has always stated that the N-spec version is always different from the generic version. Some people deride that as a marketing ploy. I actually think it is not, and it truly reflects a tire design that was optimized between Weissach and Michelin.
As Larry said the difference may not be a big one but why not not get the N-rating? At TireRack I noticed that often the N-rated tire is slightly cheaper than the generic one, and it is never significantly more expensive. Now there are tires that do not have the N-rating and people swear by. It does not mean they are bad, of course, just that they were not considered by Weissach.
As Larry said the difference may not be a big one but why not not get the N-rating? At TireRack I noticed that often the N-rated tire is slightly cheaper than the generic one, and it is never significantly more expensive. Now there are tires that do not have the N-rating and people swear by. It does not mean they are bad, of course, just that they were not considered by Weissach.
12-01-2010, 10:48 PM
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It would be nice if tire manufacturers spelled out the differences instead of effusively saying "optimized" for Porsche or some other platitudes.
12-01-2010, 11:47 PM
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Ok so given the above information (thanks to all btw!) I have the following question that I don't get; if the N rated michelins will be better than the non N rated for porsches, then how come michelin did those comparison tests against competition incl GT3, C2S and TT using the non N rated tires? I read a full comp review that said that the porsches behave really well with those non N tires..
12-01-2010, 11:57 PM
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Ok so given the above information (thanks to all btw!) I have the following question that I don't get; if the N rated michelins will be better than the non N rated for porsches, then how come michelin did those comparison tests against competition incl GT3, C2S and TT using the non N rated tires? I read a full comp review that said that the porsches behave really well with those non N tires..
12-02-2010, 11:33 AM
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Well the new Toyo Proxes 1s are out and in stock apparently, I am going to pick up a set this weekend and give them a shot.
http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-1
http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-1
