Everyone (using brakes) has bias.

 

It sounds like P50 pads are the recommended pad. Any recommendations on where to get?

 

Hi Guys,
To settle this argument why don't the guys who have the in car video with g-meters place them in cars with same tyres on the same day at the same track with PCCB and steels and get a g reading.
Then we can conclusively say which are better under braking.

Use Pagid RS29 with steels and P50 with PCCB

 

Enjoyed the comments as I'm considering upgrading the brakes on my 2010 Cayman. I discussed the issue with my dealer as to upgrading to the Carrera S brakes and he suggested why not PCCB as they are lighter and about the same cost. Their lead tech mentioned that the ceramics last three times as long and are 10 lbs ligher per corner over steel. Yes I know i'm talking a Cayman and this is the GT3 forum... but brakes are the issue. I track and auto x the cayman and the options I chose on it were for that purpose. So am I being foolish to consider ceramic or should I stick with larger steel rotors and calipers like the Carrera S or larger Brembos

 

IMO Don't take advice from the sales guy. You always know what he's gonna recommend just by looking at the cost.

If you have the cash, and take care of your brakes, then get PCCB. If you don't have the money, or don't like to maintain the brakes, then get iron.

On the street alone, you'll never have issues with PCCB. They'll last much longer than you'll have car. It's only for the track where you need to make a conscious decision. I wouldn't worry about AutoX.

 

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If you want PCCB get them if you do not than do not. They cost more to replace but last longer. I did not care and loved having them on both and will have them on the next.

 

Oh...I forget which car mag it was but last year they tested 2 GT3's one with steel and 1 with PCCB....graphs and all and they did not find that PCCB stoped any sooner than steels.

 

pccb has more BITE.
it feels different.
some like it some doesn't

 

Stopping:- tires are the limiting factor (and who wants to stop on the track?).

Momentum:- unsprung weight (and skill) are some of the limiting factors.

PCCB wins every time, even if you don't like the cost!

"Physics is Physics"

 

First off, I can't forget about the cost because they are expensive, enough said on that one.

Secondly, I personally do not like the pedal feel, height difference of the pedal and the "inconsistent" changes in braking force in braking zones with the ceramics. I just like the old school feel of steel brakes and not having to worry about added costs or possible reliability issues (Am I the only one that remembers what a nightmare the originals were?). Just personal preference.

Thirdly, I can't get into the yellow calipers.

There, several reasons why ceramics don't win every time. Different choices for different people.

 

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I have had them since Day 1 with no problems. The problems I saw were due to operator error and greatly exaggerated (IMO) since people were looking for the proverbial scapegoat

And, of course, budgets are budgets and it always about personal choice... but "physics is still physics"

Therefore PCCB win!

 

iron. not steel.

pedal height is because the brakes have not been bedded in.


I've got no reply on yellow caliper complaints.

 

I'm with you. budgeting on a 135k car...well then maybe 135k is too much and a GTR at 75k is a better choice, better yet, a mini for 25k!

 

How about "ferrous metal," does that make it ok? I would say I probably have more miles of 911/GT3/RS brake testing than most and that is my preference, bedded or not bedded...not even counting the early GT2's with obvious and documented ceramic issues.
I'm just saying there is a difference in pedal feel, etc with ceramics that you may or may not like, and you can't make a decision on what to pick from the order guide based on what other people tell you.

 

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I never had a brake problem in my early 2002 GT2. I knew many who had and the reason they had them..but it was not manufacturer related. It was (ab?)use.