Thoughts on the McLaren MP4-12C?
06-15-2010, 03:29 PM
#76
Yes, it is completely designed and built in-house.
I got this email a while ago, after a phone conversation with them:
So, we'll see....
The NYT claims $191K, Edmunds claims $265K? Which is it?
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/mcla...37/prices.html
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/mcla...37/prices.html
Dear Mr Xxxxxx,
Thank you for your continued interest in the MP4-12C.
An exact price has not yet been confirmed but we are aiming to put the base model 12C into the ‘core’ of the sports car market which is the bracket between £125000 and £175000. With today’s conversion rates, that works out to be $184,462 and $258,246.
Further pricing information will be available from our retailers once they become active.
Thank you again for your interest. Please feel free to contact us with any further queries you may have.
Kind regards,
Matt
Matt Kavanagh | Client Services | McLaren Automotive Limited
McLaren Technology Centre, Chertsey Road, Woking, Surrey GU21 4YH, UK
T: +44 (0) 1483 261500
E: matt.kavanagh@mclaren.com
W: www.mclarenautomotive.com
Thank you for your continued interest in the MP4-12C.
An exact price has not yet been confirmed but we are aiming to put the base model 12C into the ‘core’ of the sports car market which is the bracket between £125000 and £175000. With today’s conversion rates, that works out to be $184,462 and $258,246.
Further pricing information will be available from our retailers once they become active.
Thank you again for your interest. Please feel free to contact us with any further queries you may have.
Kind regards,
Matt
Matt Kavanagh | Client Services | McLaren Automotive Limited
McLaren Technology Centre, Chertsey Road, Woking, Surrey GU21 4YH, UK
T: +44 (0) 1483 261500
E: matt.kavanagh@mclaren.com
W: www.mclarenautomotive.com
06-15-2010, 04:31 PM
#77
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It certainly doesn't need more power, that's for sure, but that's not my point either.
A GT2 RS makes 620 hp from 3.6 liters with a 6500 rpm redline.
Turbocharged motors that are high revving are very rare. From a very naive standpoint this sounds like just putting two very stressful, but power adding, characteristics together. Assuming this is hard to do, expensive, and uses the absolute cutting edge in engine technology to pull off, you should get something for it, ie more power than a smaller lower revving GT2 RS motor. (again this McLaren's specs are 3.8 liters, turbos, 8500 rpm, 608 hp)
Another high revving turbo motor I can think of would be the 962 motor used in the Dauer 962 road car. 3 liters, 730 hp at 7400 rpm. Sure it's a race motor and requires more maintenance, but it's been almost two decades since that car was first built and I expect they'd be able to put something together with an extra 1000 rpm and .8 liters that has the same output and is reliable. So yeah the McLaren should make over 700 hp, not that it needs it.
06-15-2010, 05:25 PM
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"Price to be below £175,000, on sale early 2011"
175,000.00 GBP = 259,286.93 USD
175,000.00 GBP = 259,286.93 USD
06-15-2010, 05:50 PM
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Haha, you guys all think I'm crazy for asking why it doesn't make more power.
It certainly doesn't need more power, that's for sure, but that's not my point either.
A GT2 RS makes 620 hp from 3.6 liters with a 6500 rpm redline.
Turbocharged motors that are high revving are very rare. From a very naive standpoint this sounds like just putting two very stressful, but power adding, characteristics together. Assuming this is hard to do, expensive, and uses the absolute cutting edge in engine technology to pull off, you should get something for it, ie more power than a smaller lower revving GT2 RS motor. (again this McLaren's specs are 3.8 liters, turbos, 8500 rpm, 608 hp)
Another high revving turbo motor I can think of would be the 962 motor used in the Dauer 962 road car. 3 liters, 730 hp at 7400 rpm. Sure it's a race motor and requires more maintenance, but it's been almost two decades since that car was first built and I expect they'd be able to put something together with an extra 1000 rpm and .8 liters that has the same output and is reliable. So yeah the McLaren should make over 700 hp, not that it needs it.
It certainly doesn't need more power, that's for sure, but that's not my point either.
A GT2 RS makes 620 hp from 3.6 liters with a 6500 rpm redline.
Turbocharged motors that are high revving are very rare. From a very naive standpoint this sounds like just putting two very stressful, but power adding, characteristics together. Assuming this is hard to do, expensive, and uses the absolute cutting edge in engine technology to pull off, you should get something for it, ie more power than a smaller lower revving GT2 RS motor. (again this McLaren's specs are 3.8 liters, turbos, 8500 rpm, 608 hp)
Another high revving turbo motor I can think of would be the 962 motor used in the Dauer 962 road car. 3 liters, 730 hp at 7400 rpm. Sure it's a race motor and requires more maintenance, but it's been almost two decades since that car was first built and I expect they'd be able to put something together with an extra 1000 rpm and .8 liters that has the same output and is reliable. So yeah the McLaren should make over 700 hp, not that it needs it.
This is there introductory model. They'll have more variants with more bhp and that are more track oriented.
06-15-2010, 10:57 PM
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Probably reposts but what the heck.
Can't imagine why anyone would want this car....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwUV0...eature=related
Jenson looked a little faster to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvjEQ...eature=related
Can't imagine why anyone would want this car....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwUV0...eature=related
Jenson looked a little faster to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvjEQ...eature=related
06-16-2010, 02:56 PM
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06-16-2010, 05:55 PM
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But this isn't the same car as when Gordon Murray was involved. This is corporate stuff...from what I've read, I have to believe that Gordon wouldn't sign-off on this car. He learned from the Merc experience...
Give Porsche credit for working around the idiocracies of the rear-engine design we all love. Who cares what is best or ideal...don't you just love the look of a 911, Beetle and all?
At the end of the day you have to love the look of this car also. That's where this car is a miss. It looks like a generic, computer rendering of a supercar on Grand Tourismo...designed to avoid paying royalities to any manufacturer. It's clearly evident that this car was designed on a computer by really smart people.
Maybe others have said it in this thread...but here's a quote from Peter Stevens (original F1 designer), "I think if you asked me ten years ago then I'd haven thought it was alright. Unfortunately the new Ferrari has moved the game on a bit. It's just a generic high performance spots car - it's all perfectly nicely done, but people in the business can see that it was done on CAD."
Behind the wheel that won't matter one bit.
If I was a betting man, many will sell this car (especially if they produce them in the thousands as projected) when Gordon produces his next super car, after he completes the T25.
The video also confirms that also...everything was about how your grandmother would feel comfortable behind the wheel after 100 meters...these guys are scared because they know they have to sell thousands. That's ok, they'll have the design worked out by MKII.
meh...
06-17-2010, 01:53 AM
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911Jetta: I've got a GT3RS. I love the 911 for what it is. I've also got a GTi, and an F250 but I don't need to extol the virtues of each. My CGT is also really nice.
but this thread is about the mclaren. I like it. I'm buying one. I think it's better than the gallardo. I think it's better than the 430. I think the 458 is great also, but to be honest "if you want a 458, we'll put you on the list- just buy a 599 first" so F that! (although I do really like the 599 as well)
taste is individual. I enjoy the design of the car personally. and I can afford to test it out as a 6th or 7th car in my garages. I guess that's the luxury some of us have...buying fancy cars on a whim just in case it's as good as advertised.
but this thread is about the mclaren. I like it. I'm buying one. I think it's better than the gallardo. I think it's better than the 430. I think the 458 is great also, but to be honest "if you want a 458, we'll put you on the list- just buy a 599 first" so F that! (although I do really like the 599 as well)
taste is individual. I enjoy the design of the car personally. and I can afford to test it out as a 6th or 7th car in my garages. I guess that's the luxury some of us have...buying fancy cars on a whim just in case it's as good as advertised.
06-17-2010, 07:18 AM
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C.J.
I know all that.
I'm responding to the title of the thread...thoughts on the MC4.
I only mentioned the 911 in my response above because it's flawed in many ways, but it's a looker and different than anything else on the market. Not everyone gets the 911 magic and you have to work hard to get the last bit out of it. The MC4 not so much...
The MC4 is a fantastic car, but it's not an F1 and and as a 6th or 7th car will soon be stuck in the back of the garage and forgotten until the next CAD designed supercar comes along. There's too much computer perfection in the car, not enough emotion...it's just my thought, call it a hunch...
Anyway it's not a you...
I know all that.
I'm responding to the title of the thread...thoughts on the MC4.
I only mentioned the 911 in my response above because it's flawed in many ways, but it's a looker and different than anything else on the market. Not everyone gets the 911 magic and you have to work hard to get the last bit out of it. The MC4 not so much...
The MC4 is a fantastic car, but it's not an F1 and and as a 6th or 7th car will soon be stuck in the back of the garage and forgotten until the next CAD designed supercar comes along. There's too much computer perfection in the car, not enough emotion...it's just my thought, call it a hunch...
Anyway it's not a you...