C.J. Ichiban

430 Scuderia

458 Italia

McLaren Mp4 12-C


By the time the Mp4 comes out, they'll all be around the same price, I've always wanted a ferrari but the McL looks pretty sweet as a "keeper"


just curious what you guys think.

Nizer

My vote would be 458. Only reason to wait would be because you know they'll be a Scud version at some point, but you can always trade up.

prosper

When you are shopping for a new car, usually you said to yourself,
I am going to keep this one forever,...
but as soon as Mk2 version released,
or an all new model released,
or a hotter model from competition released,
you will start to think of Trade the car with the new model...

so if I were in your position,
I will buy the 458 Italia.

The McLaren is not as groundbreaking as the old McLaren F1, so the "desire" to keep it forever might not be there.

The resale value of The McLaren is not clear,
infact, whether McLaren can survive and produce
the next model after this one is not clear at the moment...
The Servicing cost will be much higher since
the dealership will not be as much as the Ferrari,
the spareparts will be much harder to get,
and the performance is not known at this moment...

plus you should be able to drive the 458 Italia sooner than the McLaren,
since 458 Italia is production ready while the McLaren is not...

If you buy the 458 Italia right now,
and later you really can not stop yourself from wanting the McLaren,

You can sell the 458 Italia with little loss since
it's resale value should be still good, and then
buy the McLaren...

and in the mean time, you are already driving a nice 458 Italia...

For now, I still like the Scuderia430 looks than the 458 Italia,
but I am sure as time goes on,
soon the Scuderia430 might look a bit old,
and then then the 458 Italia would look better...

Good Luck with your choices,

skxf430

Wait for the the 458 Scuderia version.

By the way, you cannot go wrong with any of these choices but it is always nice to have at least one Ferrari in your line up.

roberga

get the scud next week and track the **** out of it. You know you want to. Come on you are young. Do it do it :-) There is a nice Ferrari dealer in the Phoenix area.
I wish I could

NJ-GT

I would avoid the McLaren, due to unknown British build quality in a brand new design. Wait until the car has 1 year or more in the market and check for reliability from actual owners.

The Scuderia/Stradale version of the F458 is still 3-4 years away, Ferrari introduces the special lightweight version at the end of the product life cycle.

430 Scuderia vs. F458 Italia:

- Depending on options, the Italia is 350-400 lbs heavier than the Scuderia.

- The Italia has more torque, better gearing, and better transmission.

- The Scuderia has better suspension.

- There is unknown reliability from the 9,000 rpm V8 on track conditions until Ferrari starts racing a F458 Challenge, a F458 in ALMS, FIA-GT2, FIA-GT3. The F458 Challenge will race in 2011 along the F430 Challenge, and by 2012 it will be just the F458C. Ferrari made several reliability and performance improvements to the 360 and F430 with the lessons learned in the Challenge series, the improvements included brakes, suspension, engine, transmission, electronics, so pretty much everything but body and chassis were improved in the road cars.

- The improvement in traction out of turns in the Italia applies to running the car with CST on, comparing the regular F430 to the F458. These road Ferraris are faster with all the systems off, tested with telemetry on a skid pad, a long slalom, a short slalom, and a racetrack, plus the feedback from other test drivers.

- You will need to wait for the F458 to hit the showrooms, and test drive it. I like the raw feeling of the Scuderia, with its sub 3,000 lbs weight (stock) and carbon fiber elements everywhere.

- For me the F458 Italia is more of a competitor to the R8 V10, 2010 997 Turbo, LP560/4. All these cars are plenty powerful and fast, and they all beat the 997.1 GT3 RS on equals tires at a racetrack. However, the 997.1 GT3 RS is a fun car to drive and it feels very light. The 430 Scuderia feels like a 997.1 GT3 RS with a lot more power, it feels lighter than a Cayman and it has the balance of a Cayman.

- The F458 comes with 20" wheels, not sure about tire options in those sizes.

- I'm not convinced yet with the F458 style. I like the classic double round tail lights, not the 348/Testarossa rear end, or the 599/612/F458 rear end.

- 250 2008 Scuderias, 90 2009 Scuderias, 149 16M total in U.S. The Scuderia numbers are from official sources, the 16M number from not confirmed sources, but with a Ferrari announced 499 16M worlwide production limit, the 149 number for U.S. 16M makes sense. You will see over 1,000 F458 in the first year.

- Reliability in the late F430 is pretty good.

brim

I think you're best off with the 458 from a long term perspective, but the 430 Scud would be the most fun.

What about the Noble M600? It sounds like a great car, loads of power and more rare than the rest...that is if you really want something that is track prep!

tcsracing1

the McLaren Mp4 12-C looks like a ferrari and lambo put together into one.

it will be interesting to see how it fair performance wise.

If i were to buy a ferrari, i would only buy the light weight model in the model range. worth the wait.

roberga

How about the FXX

Targa Tim

I don't like to analyse too much.

458 just for the look. It is the most exotic looking one. It is fun enough just to look at it in the garage.

As for driving, a 6 speed GT3RS over any of the above choices for me.

Giantviper

I would say go with the 458. It looks beautiful in pictures.

savyboy

McLaren hands down. A stealth (low-key looks) supercar manufactured by a race car builder with experience that spans decades. CF tub= just the start of technology that leaves every one else in the dust. Any one that has taken the time and made the effort to dig into the MP4-12C has to come away with respect and admiration.

I begged them to start a "list" and get me on it but they won't allow yet.

Prosper- you need to educate yourself on McLaren's distribution and service plans for this car before posting groundless supposition. Learn the facts, and get back to us, yes? (Google is your friend) (not said in ugly fashion, simply stopping guesses in their tracks and encouraging homework)

GT3

I'd go for the McLaren.
Its lighter, faster, more power, more torque and more tune-able. McLaren knows what they are doing.
Later, when the 458 Scud comes out, you can alway switch.... but most likely wont be necessary.
I guarantee the McLaren will be faster in the ring and most other tracks than the 458.

10 GT3

First, now that the 458 builds are getting started at the factory, I would not even look at a 430 Sudaeria, unless you found a deal used. So it is really between the 458 and the McLaren. My vote is for the McLaren. It is more powerful and lighter. I have a good feeling it will be better handling too.

dsu*

i would say buy a low mile Scud for now, you can easily find GREAT GREAT deals. And then wait for the McLaren or 458 Scud!