To (pcc)B or not to (pcc)B? That is the question.
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The PCCBs are great, they may not suit you or your purposes, but for the great majority of applications they work wonders.
Smart people know that nobody races "on the edge" for free.
Given the choice, I think they are worth the premium, in all applications; and they are even "cheaper" when you have to consider aftermarket upgrades!
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I prefer to buy/sell and drive a car with ceramics, it adds up to the the "lowest total cost of ownership" for me, (and I don't have to worry about upgrades and potential warranty hassles if the after market provider is not matching the manufacturer warranty).
In my book, warranty/liability is the hairy chestnut.
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I have a lot of buying/selling experience, research, track observations and experience to support the opinion which works for me.
I prefer to buy/sell and drive a car with ceramics, it adds up to the the "lowest total cost of ownership" for me, (and I don't have to worry about upgrades and potential warranty hassles if the after market provider is not matching the manufacturer warranty).
In my book, warranty/liability is the hairy chestnut.
I prefer to buy/sell and drive a car with ceramics, it adds up to the the "lowest total cost of ownership" for me, (and I don't have to worry about upgrades and potential warranty hassles if the after market provider is not matching the manufacturer warranty).
In my book, warranty/liability is the hairy chestnut.
I agree that the warranty stuff is really more of a concern- will your dealer be a pal if something happens through normal DE type settings? that's the question to get answered and written out before buying a pcar these days.
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Are PCCB brakes a better braking system than factory irons? Yes, from my own experience.
When used intelligently, do they outlast factory irons? Yes, by a big big margin.
Factor in the lighter weight and there is nothing left to discuss.
Also, I think most of us here believe that a modern GT3 is somehow more complete with PCCB than without them...
When used intelligently, do they outlast factory irons? Yes, by a big big margin.
Factor in the lighter weight and there is nothing left to discuss.
Also, I think most of us here believe that a modern GT3 is somehow more complete with PCCB than without them...
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Technically speaking, does anybody know if the latest design (Aluminum hubs) is improved beyond lower weight? I read somewhere that the allignment with the pads is improved. Is the carbon / ceramics mix the same? Should they last longer than gen II?
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At present, I intend to go with PCCBs again, but not if there's a problem since I expect the replacement to the Cab to have PCCBs and it will be doing ample road miles. I keep saying my next GT3 will be a keeper, but maybe it will be true this next time if the 997.2 RS is as good as I expect it will turn out.
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This is my .02.
The new Factory steel brakes are MUCH lighter than the previous gen steel brakes. This makes the advantages of going with the Ceramics much less attractive. I was hoping that Porsche would have lowered the price of the PCCBs to offset the lower benefit. I dont know if this makes sense but they are still an upgrade to the steel brakes, but not as significant as the previous gen brakes. g/l with your decision.
The new Factory steel brakes are MUCH lighter than the previous gen steel brakes. This makes the advantages of going with the Ceramics much less attractive. I was hoping that Porsche would have lowered the price of the PCCBs to offset the lower benefit. I dont know if this makes sense but they are still an upgrade to the steel brakes, but not as significant as the previous gen brakes. g/l with your decision.
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This is my .02.
The new Factory steel brakes are MUCH lighter than the previous gen steel brakes. This makes the advantages of going with the Ceramics much less attractive. I was hoping that Porsche would have lowered the price of the PCCBs to offset the lower benefit. I dont know if this makes sense but they are still an upgrade to the steel brakes, but not as significant as the previous gen brakes. g/l with your decision.
The new Factory steel brakes are MUCH lighter than the previous gen steel brakes. This makes the advantages of going with the Ceramics much less attractive. I was hoping that Porsche would have lowered the price of the PCCBs to offset the lower benefit. I dont know if this makes sense but they are still an upgrade to the steel brakes, but not as significant as the previous gen brakes. g/l with your decision.
* The 997.2 red brakes are 2.4 kg lighter than the 997.1 red brakes despite being uprated. The was mainly down to the aluminium centre hubs.
* The 997.2 yellow brakes are 4.8kg lighter than the 997.1 yellow brakes despite being uprated. The was also mainly down to the aluminium centre hubs.
Source: https://rennlist.com/forums/6675622-post27.html
Original thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...uninger-2.html
And if the previous PCCBs were about 10.4 lbs lighter per cornner than the previous steels. How much lighter are the new PCCB's Vs the new Steels now?
What most people fail to have noticed, is that the new PCCBs lost twice the weight, the new Steels lost.
(997.1 PCCBs Vs 997.2 PCCBs/ 997.1 Steels Vs 997.2 Steels) If that info above is correct.
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This makes semse. If we assume that the hubs on both type of brakes lost the same amount of weight (probably 4.8 Kg), the iron brakes must have gained some back as their diameter increased to 15", where the ceramics are the same size as before (15").
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I have had two 911s with Iron rotors and two with PCCBs(both GT3s). The turn in quickness was noticeable on the GT3s over the 993 TT (Iron) but this new 911 with Irons is great. If its a financial concern dont get them and dont worry. There are stoptech brake track setups that are probably cheaper and lighter than PCCBs Sharkwerks and GMG both sell them and I am sure other shops sells replacements. If your streeting only then PCCBs are very nice. tracking heavily then they are just another wear item and you will consume them. THe grey area is in the 5 track days a year guy.
Pogue remind me not to play poker against you!!!LOL
BOB at Bobs Brake shop- no way would I buy PCCBS!
Pogue remind me not to play poker against you!!!LOL
BOB at Bobs Brake shop- no way would I buy PCCBS!