To (pcc)B or not to (pcc)B? That is the question.
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Probably the most significant option on the RS, for sure the most expensive. Old topic it is, but with a new generation of brakes (Steel and Ceramics), still beguiling:
On the plus side:
1. Reduced weight, improved power/weight ratio by about 1.3%
2. Less rotating mass to boot.
3. No rust and brake dust
4. Maybe some performance advantage under severe high speed braking.
5. Rotors last longer than iron. (how much longer?)
6. Resell value impact?
On the minus side:
1. Cost of replacement rotors
2. less aftermarket offerings.
3. Did I say Cost?
4. Pads may not last as long if soft, too abrasive to rotors if long lasting?
Would anybody like to add or offer opinions? I'd like to see the track junkies' perspective as well as the street drivers'.
Thanks!
On the plus side:
1. Reduced weight, improved power/weight ratio by about 1.3%
2. Less rotating mass to boot.
3. No rust and brake dust
4. Maybe some performance advantage under severe high speed braking.
5. Rotors last longer than iron. (how much longer?)
6. Resell value impact?
On the minus side:
1. Cost of replacement rotors
2. less aftermarket offerings.
3. Did I say Cost?
4. Pads may not last as long if soft, too abrasive to rotors if long lasting?
Would anybody like to add or offer opinions? I'd like to see the track junkies' perspective as well as the street drivers'.
Thanks!
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I am sure they benefits are good, but I won't buy them:
If money does not matter at all buy them, if money matters a little, buy them and replace with steel rotors, if money matters a lot, don't buy them.
If money does not matter at all buy them, if money matters a little, buy them and replace with steel rotors, if money matters a lot, don't buy them.
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I liked mine on my 2004. 60,000 miles and replaced fronts once, rears original.Used P-50 pads for about 40,000 of the miles. The 997 are even better. Last season supercup teams did the entire season on a single set.
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Well, its true. The only exceptions were when the car had been in an impact or in the gravel.
This was confirmed by one of the drivers I was chatting to on another forum - he used two sets for the entire season and the second was because of a heavy impact, so they changed the disks because of that.
Of course, supercup disks _may_ be different to the normal PCCB disks but, egged on by my neighbour who has them on his GT2 I figured I'd always regret not having PCCBs so ticked the box!
This was confirmed by one of the drivers I was chatting to on another forum - he used two sets for the entire season and the second was because of a heavy impact, so they changed the disks because of that.
Of course, supercup disks _may_ be different to the normal PCCB disks but, egged on by my neighbour who has them on his GT2 I figured I'd always regret not having PCCBs so ticked the box!
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I have them. 10k miles on them. About 15 16 track days on them and the rotors still look good. About to install 3rd set of oem pads. If the rotors last 3 or 4X as long, I think its possibly a wash money wise. The performance is great, they dont fade, and they stay clean from break dust.
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That means it's not true. It's not like the second set "doesn't count" because it was due to impact damage and not wear replacement. The risk of damage from an errant wheel swap or piece of gravel from the trackside litter is one of the more compelling reasons to avoid the PCCB brakes for a car that is tracked.
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Anyone who doesn't want PCCB's:
1) Either does not have much experience with them, or
2) Is finding a justification for not laying out the initial $8,840 (which, IMO, compares favorably with alternative options over time).
I have 30k miles (~ 25% track miles) and 50+ track days on the PCCBs on my RS and the rotors still look good. I have 45k miles (mostly street) on the PCCBs on my 996 Turbo S and they look like almost new. Can't say how many cast iron rotors I would have gone thru by now, but I suspect quite a few. And, knock on wood, I have never experienced brake fade...even under the most demanding conditions.
Anyhow, each to their own...
1) Either does not have much experience with them, or
2) Is finding a justification for not laying out the initial $8,840 (which, IMO, compares favorably with alternative options over time).
I have 30k miles (~ 25% track miles) and 50+ track days on the PCCBs on my RS and the rotors still look good. I have 45k miles (mostly street) on the PCCBs on my 996 Turbo S and they look like almost new. Can't say how many cast iron rotors I would have gone thru by now, but I suspect quite a few. And, knock on wood, I have never experienced brake fade...even under the most demanding conditions.
Anyhow, each to their own...
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PCCB is not expensive, when you compared with the price Ferrari charge for that before they put it as standard.
IMO PCCB is a must for the GT3 RS, the feeling is so much better compared with the RED. I have driven a 599 with CCB and I still remember how great that feel.
Less unsprung mass is KING, when we're talking about saving weight!
IMO PCCB is a must for the GT3 RS, the feeling is so much better compared with the RED. I have driven a 599 with CCB and I still remember how great that feel.
Less unsprung mass is KING, when we're talking about saving weight!