gota911

Adam,

First off NEVER use rubbing compound or even a polishing compound on a clear coat finish, unless you know exactly what you are doing. In very extreme cases, where the clear coat is heavily scratched, polishing compound "might" be used by a detailer, but only as a last resort in an to attempt to salvage the surface.

You, or a detailer, will have to polish the clear coat, starting with a mild abrasive polish and cutting pad and progressively working down through less and less abrasive polishes and pads until the clear coat is smooth and shiny again.

Each step in the process will remove the larger, deeper scratches left by the previous polish, but will leave smaller, shallower scratches that will need to be polished out with the following step. It is probably going to be a 4 or 5 step process to get it looking good again. If you have not done this type of polishing before, you may want to contact a detailer and have them do the work. Since it is a relatively small area in the paint, the cost should be reasonable.

Premier

What film do you have on the car Adam?

russo

I have been looking for this type of installation in my neck of the woods with no success.

PogueMoHone

You should see what Premier did to my car and it wasn't pretty (for a custom job it was daylight robbery), I will never, ever use them again.

For them to come on this web site with a "holier than thou attitude" is the height of hypocrisy.

They are overpriced ($2000+ for a "partial" clear bra treatment is insanity) and especially with mediocre quality; and I would go naked before I would ever use them again.

I made the offer before and I make again: Anyone in the Bay area is welcome to compare the Premier crap with other jobs I have had done (all untouched) and draw your own conclusions.

Mooty and I, who are friends really disagree on this one. In fact, I am thinking of changing my signature to balance his, and tag them as one of the worst "clear bra installers". If he can say good things based upon experience I can say real things also, like stay away!

If you don't believe me (come see my cars) and try getting them to post their prices here... at the end of the day it is a pretty simple process (based upon level of coverage). They even tried getting me banned on another website!

Premier... Caveat Emptor! (and then some).

At their prices it is cheaper to go naked and deal with a respray; from my unsatisfied opinion.

Now they might try and get me banned (Good Luck)

Oh! and they might offer a special deal! Watch out!

daytonaviolet

poguemohone, id like to see the work done on your car. do you ever attend the SR events?

Premier

Ah, yes Mr. Colm Campbell. We see that you have changed your username. Well, before anyone reading this jumps to any conclusion, we would like to put light into your accusations and allow the public to make an informed decision.

For those who would like to see what gripe PogueMoHone has against us, please visit the following threads. The threads have been reviewed and investigated by administrators of rennlist (where he has been warned) and ferrarichat (where he was temporarily banned). Eventually some of his posts were deleted, but you can see his response / demeanor by those who quoted him in fchat

1. “PogueMoHone” in Dec 2006 said: “Premier did my car, a good job and no complaints…”, Thread http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthr...=129119&page=3

*from this post, it’s about pricing and convenience. We are not mobile, which inconvenienced him to have to bring the car to our facility.

2. “PogueMoHone”” in Feb 2007 states on rennlist: “I am in the Bay Area and there are many good installers, Premier, while good, happens to be one of the more expensive ones; and yes, I have experienced their work. No problems, but not any better (and more inconvenient for me) than others.” Thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...clear-bra.html

*5 months have passed since installation and no issues whatsoever except us being too inconvenient and expensive for him

In August of 2007, PogueMoHone” posts: “Premier is not my first choice, their quality is OK and their prices are poor value.” Thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...ra-help-2.html

*Close to a year has passed and you would see progression from “good” to “ok” and now “crap work”. Please keep in mind that this whole time no issues were ever brought up in his posts.

Now, we see PogueMoHone”posting on this thread stating that our work is “poor installation” and a “crap job”. Since we completed the vehicle, no issues were ever brought to our attention nor have we seen the car since. So how does our installation go from being “good” one year ago to “ok” and then to being “poor”? Our installation, once completed, does not change and you have documented it in these posts yourself.

In this post on rennlist ( https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...ra-help-3.html ) it is apparent that you are referring people to your first choice of installer. However, the installation did not come out looking the way they expected it to. These new Porsche owners then came to us to see if we could help them. One in particular we couldn’t help because the razor cuts your installer put on various parts of the 997tt was so deep, it had to go into the body shop for a respray on the hood, front bumper and mirrors.

As someone mentioned earlier, personal attacks on a public forum like rennlist are unacceptable. We have never personally attacked you on any forum even though you have continuously provided negative feedback about us without showing any evidence of poor workmanship. We simply only ask there to be honesty in your statements

Once again, the progression in rhetoric has changed dramatically over the year from our installation quality going from:

1. 4 months after installation to be “good”
2. 7 months after installation to be “ok”
3. one year later to be “crap”

It was not until you, PogueMoHone referred two cars to people you have met at Santana Row to YOUR installer, who damaged their new Porsches that you became more disgruntled with us because they came to us to have the jobs fixed. Please reveal the truth Colm / PogueMoHone.

mooty

use "miracle wash" or "3M adhesive remover" to remove rubber marks.

mooty

my bra usually turns into bralettes by year two. it's too chewed up to provide protection.

daytonaviolet

CorsicanBB

Whoever did this to the green RS in the first posts should be out of a job!!! Someone does that to my car and they better be running very fast and very far!!!

TT Surgeon

Not their counterpart....better (IMO)!
Detailing Dynamics in Mineola, NY. Flawless work.

Likemystoppie?

Hell. Yes.

But like said above, only if it's done by someone reputable.

Cutting INTO the paint?? wtf.......person should be hung and shot.

emmros

Agreed. Never happened to me, but I have had some pretty narly stuff put on by a few companies. None of them can even edge to what Premier has done for my current rides. Can't imagine why the owner of the RS even let the guy keep it on his car.

PogueMoHone

To Premier:

You really don't understand customer satisfaction and you can't dictate it or bully someone into silence.

I spent $2K plus 4 hours of time to get a "custom" job done. All based upon your reputation.

The job that was done was hardly custom (imo), more like semi custom (kit mirrors) and the material used Venture Shield was less than satisfactory (imo). I much prefer 3M, but that was a learning experience on my part.. 3M is holding up much better over time than venture shield.

Having paid you $2K and 4 hours of "transport" time I was under no obligation to go spend even more time (another 4 hours) to give you the opportunity to correct issues. The first (and only) time you had my car you had the chance to do it to my satisfaction and you failed.

You seem not to get the above point and to think I should bring my car back to you is just plain wrong. I am entitled to cut my losses and express my opinion.

PS: My phone # was on my check! You could have called, you were able to give it to someone else to try sell me another service.

To Rennlisters

For $1K I have had better work done than what Premier charged $2K to do (imo). To spend another 4 hours (at my billing rates!!) to get it corrected was not a value proposition to me, especially after seeing what an inferior product Venture Shield is (for my purposes). YMMV!

Despite Premier complaints (to admins), and continued attempts to garner customers from this website, I am not "bashing" them (their words). I am pointing out to my fellow Rennlisters that there might be better alternatives out there (imo), especially at $2K a pop for a full frontal coverage.
They have tried behind the scenes tactics to shut me up but it won't work. Just as they have a high opinion of the quality of their work, I have an equally high opinion of my ability to judge value.

Of the 5 cars sitting in my garage with "clearbra", some costing more and some costing less; the job Premier did represents the poorest value and I would never put Venture shield on my car again. The worst material is Venture shield and the worst installation is Premier (imo) and the most expensive (relative) was Premier.

It is ironic that I went to Premier to based upon reputation and was sorely disappointed, end of story. You can't win them all (fool some of the people, some of the time, etc). Sometimes you only get one chance and my example is one of those cases.

The activities to get me banned did not win any brownie points with me, or others.

I have a pet peeve here, and that is that I want the best for Rennlisters and sometimes that mitigates against the interest of Sponsors. Especially those that try to dictate their importance to the Site owners. If (imo) they want to use these Forums to market then they have to take the good with the bad (and deliver real value to the participants versus marketing hype).

If Premier wants to periodically start threads promoting their superiority using scare tactics about cut marks etc., then they must accept that not everyone is satisfied with their quality or business practices. After all, you can't win 'em all.

If my comments, observations etc., improve Premier's quality and value, makes them market competitive, then great, Rennlisters win. I can chalk up my poor experience to Caveat Emptor. It is not the end of the world. In the meantime I can really appreciate 3M and true custom work (versus marketing hype) that others have provided.

Again, to my fellow Rennlisters, anyone paying much more that $1200+/- for frontal coverage plus bits and pieces (wheel wells, mirrors etc), is overpaying (imo). I have the experience and examples to prove it. and we can continue the PMs.

For Premier to initiate a topic highlighting some other (unkown) vendors poor quality and then object because a former customer (with lots of experience) points out his opinion of poor value strikes me as hypocritical, and raises my suspicions. Then to complain to the site admins is gilding the lily; so it should give you (the potential customer) pause.

As always: Caveat Emptor.

Carrera GT

The 3M adhesive remover is the only thing I've found that seems to work well (and let it work, don't try to use "elbow grease" until the chemical has had a chance to work on the rubber.)