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07-23-2008, 05:45 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks that the video shows Stig trying that much harder with the GTR compared to many other cars?
It seems that Top Gear almost mandatorily had to have the GTR turn in a shocking time, because otherwise the hype wouldn´t hold up.
It seems that Top Gear almost mandatorily had to have the GTR turn in a shocking time, because otherwise the hype wouldn´t hold up.
07-23-2008, 06:56 PM
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I just realized I posted the wrong link.
This is the video clip I meant to share.
For some reason, I cant find it on you tube directly, but I can get it on google video via aol. so it is likely cached there but wont be there for much longer
enjoy.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...A_jcKoA6-uoNEI
This is the video clip I meant to share.
For some reason, I cant find it on you tube directly, but I can get it on google video via aol. so it is likely cached there but wont be there for much longer
enjoy.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...A_jcKoA6-uoNEI
07-23-2008, 07:36 PM
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When the 1996 993 Turbo came out, magazines were also all over the map in regards to 0-60, ET and mph. I remember seeing an 11.9 sec 1/4 mile @ 119mph in Turbo magazine, while most mainstream mags were getting mid 12's @ 114mph.
One magazine (I think it was C&D) got a 0-60 of 3.6 seconds while others got > 4 seconds. The slowest mph I found was 111mph so there was a 8mph difference between the best and worst for the 993 Turbo. Doesn't make the 8mph variance the Skyline is getting seem too far off.
With a turbo car, there are so many variables that come into play, especially temperature. If you've ever owned a turbo car, you know how HUGE a difference air temp plays in power generation. Especially as the modern cars are so close to the knock limits, temperature and fuel quality play an even larger role.
Any way you slice it, the new GTR is one hell of a machine and massive good value. Similarly, our GT3's are pretty damn good value as well. There really isn't anything that compares in this price range. I've tried the Exige S, Z06 and Ferrari 360 and none provides the combination the GT3 does.
One magazine (I think it was C&D) got a 0-60 of 3.6 seconds while others got > 4 seconds. The slowest mph I found was 111mph so there was a 8mph difference between the best and worst for the 993 Turbo. Doesn't make the 8mph variance the Skyline is getting seem too far off.
With a turbo car, there are so many variables that come into play, especially temperature. If you've ever owned a turbo car, you know how HUGE a difference air temp plays in power generation. Especially as the modern cars are so close to the knock limits, temperature and fuel quality play an even larger role.
Any way you slice it, the new GTR is one hell of a machine and massive good value. Similarly, our GT3's are pretty damn good value as well. There really isn't anything that compares in this price range. I've tried the Exige S, Z06 and Ferrari 360 and none provides the combination the GT3 does.
ahhh, if only we could find The Grail...
thinking RS vs. ACR vs. GT2 right now. I dont think te GT-R is really in that league
it can do a few fast fast laps but then what???? i think the weight will catch up
but what do i know?
07-23-2008, 09:47 PM
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Assuming all cars with similar r-comp tires (MPSC, Hoosiers, etc), this is what I think:
At the top: ZR1 and Viper ACR
2nd Tier: 7GT2, Z06, GT-R, Scuderia, LP560/4
3rd Tier: 7GT3/GT3RS, 6GT2, 6GT3, F430, Gallardo SL
At the top: ZR1 and Viper ACR
2nd Tier: 7GT2, Z06, GT-R, Scuderia, LP560/4
3rd Tier: 7GT3/GT3RS, 6GT2, 6GT3, F430, Gallardo SL
07-23-2008, 10:06 PM
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Mag tests are one thing. Real world is another. in OLA a stock 7GT3 whipped the GT-R
at this level the wingnut between the steering wheel and seat matter a LOT. further,the Scud and GT-R have yet to prove they can do it all day long
07-23-2008, 10:30 PM
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On anything but Road America or a similar track I don't think the Z 06 is quicker than a good 3/RS. Neither will a GT2 be quicker.
Mag tests are one thing. Real world is another. in OLA a stock 7GT3 whipped the GT-R
at this level the wingnut between the steering wheel and seat matter a LOT. further,the Scud and GT-R have yet to prove they can do it all day long
Mag tests are one thing. Real world is another. in OLA a stock 7GT3 whipped the GT-R
at this level the wingnut between the steering wheel and seat matter a LOT. further,the Scud and GT-R have yet to prove they can do it all day long
Probably Peter (85Gold) could chime in here. He ran OLOA this year with his 996 GT3, a car that was faster than the Nissan GT-R and the 997 GT3 you mentioned in the hands of an autocrosser (Ian). Indeed, an old C5 Z06 was faster as well (another autocrosser).
The 997 GT3/GT3 RS is barely faster than the 996 GT3. The 997 GT2 is in a different league.
At Laguna Seca, the 997 GT2 should put around 2 seconds per lap over a 997 GT3 RS, this is a technical and not a fast track compared to the Glen, RA, Big Willow, VIR, etc.
The ACR puts 4 seconds at Big Willow over the 997 GT3 RS both cars driven by a Pro the same day.
I know one guy, not a pro-driver lapping Laguna Seca with a stock 996 GT3 and short R&P gear at 1:38s. I don't know of a GT3 RS getting there yet.
On Hoosiers, a C6 Z06 ran a 57.8 at Pocono North. I have plenty of track time at Pocono. A 997 GT3 on Hoosiers can break into the 59s, the 996 GT3 on MPSC runs high 60s. My modified 996 GT3 running 350 lbs lighter had a 56.7 at that track two years ago. A stock 997 GT2 with Hoosiers I think could touch the 57 as well (I should know in a few months).
The 7RS stock with MPSC cannot touch the 7GT2 or C6-Z06 on MPSC at the track.
07-23-2008, 10:46 PM
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I have been on the track multiple times with C6 Z06 on race tires, and I know how fast they're. Don't compare the C6 Z06 on street tires to a GT3 RS on race tires.
Probably Peter (85Gold) could chime in here. He ran OLOA this year with his 996 GT3, a car that was faster than the Nissan GT-R and the 997 GT3 you mentioned in the hands of an autocrosser (Ian). Indeed, an old C5 Z06 was faster as well (another autocrosser).
The 997 GT3/GT3 RS is barely faster than the 996 GT3. The 997 GT2 is in a different league.
At Laguna Seca, the 997 GT2 should put around 2 seconds per lap over a 997 GT3 RS, this is a technical and not a fast track compared to the Glen, RA, Big Willow, VIR, etc.
The ACR puts 4 seconds at Big Willow over the 997 GT3 RS both cars driven by a Pro the same day.
I know one guy, not a pro-driver lapping Laguna Seca with a stock 996 GT3 and short R&P gear at 1:38s. I don't know of a GT3 RS getting there yet.
On Hoosiers, a C6 Z06 ran a 57.8 at Pocono North. I have plenty of track time at Pocono. A 997 GT3 on Hoosiers can break into the 59s, the 996 GT3 on MPSC runs high 60s. My modified 996 GT3 running 350 lbs lighter had a 56.7 at that track two years ago. A stock 997 GT2 with Hoosiers I think could touch the 57 as well (I should know in a few months).
The 7RS stock with MPSC cannot touch the 7GT2 or C6-Z06 on MPSC at the track.
Probably Peter (85Gold) could chime in here. He ran OLOA this year with his 996 GT3, a car that was faster than the Nissan GT-R and the 997 GT3 you mentioned in the hands of an autocrosser (Ian). Indeed, an old C5 Z06 was faster as well (another autocrosser).
The 997 GT3/GT3 RS is barely faster than the 996 GT3. The 997 GT2 is in a different league.
At Laguna Seca, the 997 GT2 should put around 2 seconds per lap over a 997 GT3 RS, this is a technical and not a fast track compared to the Glen, RA, Big Willow, VIR, etc.
The ACR puts 4 seconds at Big Willow over the 997 GT3 RS both cars driven by a Pro the same day.
I know one guy, not a pro-driver lapping Laguna Seca with a stock 996 GT3 and short R&P gear at 1:38s. I don't know of a GT3 RS getting there yet.
On Hoosiers, a C6 Z06 ran a 57.8 at Pocono North. I have plenty of track time at Pocono. A 997 GT3 on Hoosiers can break into the 59s, the 996 GT3 on MPSC runs high 60s. My modified 996 GT3 running 350 lbs lighter had a 56.7 at that track two years ago. A stock 997 GT2 with Hoosiers I think could touch the 57 as well (I should know in a few months).
The 7RS stock with MPSC cannot touch the 7GT2 or C6-Z06 on MPSC at the track.
They're all fast
It's about the wingnut...
But, I think when all's said and done...the ACR is hard to beat at the track
07-24-2008, 12:42 AM
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man, the ACR viper, the Z06 vettes.... these cars are fast on race tires..... the GT3's and RS's with race tires have to work hard to keep em' at bay by the looks of things......
even the new M3 and GT-R are quick.....
Looks like Porsche needs to do some more work in order to keep the track its domain comfortabley......
now, keeping in mind a well equiped GT3 is always a weapon compared to the upove cars in stock trim.
even the new M3 and GT-R are quick.....
Looks like Porsche needs to do some more work in order to keep the track its domain comfortabley......
now, keeping in mind a well equiped GT3 is always a weapon compared to the upove cars in stock trim.
07-24-2008, 05:58 PM
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I don't think there is any denying how amazing the GT-R is. A sub <1:20 on Top Gear? If Ferrari "tuned" their F430, do you think they'd find 3 or 4 seconds? I owe an F430 and a GT-3, and I think the GT-R is pretty amazing. When my co-worker takes delivery of his and I check it out, I wouldn't be surprised if I need to scramble for garage space. I'm not GT-R expert, but I don't even think we've seen the hi-po version yet?
07-24-2008, 06:58 PM
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What it has that are positives:
INteresting look (not beautiful)
Twin turbo V6 with room to grow.
Rear seats
GT-like character that seems to be transformable electronically to a great track car for weekends.
Cons:
The demographic will be bad to worse as it depreciates. You will be accosted by small asian men wanting to race you in thier Honda 1.2L civics.
INteresting look (not beautiful)
Twin turbo V6 with room to grow.
Rear seats
GT-like character that seems to be transformable electronically to a great track car for weekends.
Cons:
The demographic will be bad to worse as it depreciates. You will be accosted by small asian men wanting to race you in thier Honda 1.2L civics.
07-25-2008, 10:20 AM
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the stig managed a 1:19.7 in the GTR
that is ariel atom speed on that track.
i just dont know why such a heavy car can perform that way? And how it can be so much faster then a 911 turbo??
im going to wait and see how the public performs on drag strips and weekend track days before i start thinking too much about this.......
that is ariel atom speed on that track.
i just dont know why such a heavy car can perform that way? And how it can be so much faster then a 911 turbo??
im going to wait and see how the public performs on drag strips and weekend track days before i start thinking too much about this.......
07-25-2008, 10:42 AM
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One thing for sure that thing has to be murderous on tires at that pace.
07-25-2008, 11:59 AM
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I have been on the track multiple times with C6 Z06 on race tires, and I know how fast they're. Don't compare the C6 Z06 on street tires to a GT3 RS on race tires.
Probably Peter (85Gold) could chime in here. He ran OLOA this year with his 996 GT3, a car that was faster than the Nissan GT-R and the 997 GT3 you mentioned in the hands of an autocrosser (Ian). Indeed, an old C5 Z06 was faster as well (another autocrosser).
The 997 GT3/GT3 RS is barely faster than the 996 GT3. The 997 GT2 is in a different league.
At Laguna Seca, the 997 GT2 should put around 2 seconds per lap over a 997 GT3 RS, this is a technical and not a fast track compared to the Glen, RA, Big Willow, VIR, etc.
The ACR puts 4 seconds at Big Willow over the 997 GT3 RS both cars driven by a Pro the same day.
I know one guy, not a pro-driver lapping Laguna Seca with a stock 996 GT3 and short R&P gear at 1:38s. I don't know of a GT3 RS getting there yet.
On Hoosiers, a C6 Z06 ran a 57.8 at Pocono North. I have plenty of track time at Pocono. A 997 GT3 on Hoosiers can break into the 59s, the 996 GT3 on MPSC runs high 60s. My modified 996 GT3 running 350 lbs lighter had a 56.7 at that track two years ago. A stock 997 GT2 with Hoosiers I think could touch the 57 as well (I should know in a few months).
The 7RS stock with MPSC cannot touch the 7GT2 or C6-Z06 on MPSC at the track.
Probably Peter (85Gold) could chime in here. He ran OLOA this year with his 996 GT3, a car that was faster than the Nissan GT-R and the 997 GT3 you mentioned in the hands of an autocrosser (Ian). Indeed, an old C5 Z06 was faster as well (another autocrosser).
The 997 GT3/GT3 RS is barely faster than the 996 GT3. The 997 GT2 is in a different league.
At Laguna Seca, the 997 GT2 should put around 2 seconds per lap over a 997 GT3 RS, this is a technical and not a fast track compared to the Glen, RA, Big Willow, VIR, etc.
The ACR puts 4 seconds at Big Willow over the 997 GT3 RS both cars driven by a Pro the same day.
I know one guy, not a pro-driver lapping Laguna Seca with a stock 996 GT3 and short R&P gear at 1:38s. I don't know of a GT3 RS getting there yet.
On Hoosiers, a C6 Z06 ran a 57.8 at Pocono North. I have plenty of track time at Pocono. A 997 GT3 on Hoosiers can break into the 59s, the 996 GT3 on MPSC runs high 60s. My modified 996 GT3 running 350 lbs lighter had a 56.7 at that track two years ago. A stock 997 GT2 with Hoosiers I think could touch the 57 as well (I should know in a few months).
The 7RS stock with MPSC cannot touch the 7GT2 or C6-Z06 on MPSC at the track.
Rad,
You asked so here goes. The Hennessy Viper ACR is the car to have based on the performance it exhibited in the 2008 OLOA. I know a lot of well prepped 996 GT3's run in the 2:02 to 2:04 range on Slicks/R comps @ VIR. The Viper ran a 2:02 on Michelin PS2's.
I think the GTR is an awesome car BUT not the killer that some of the Magazines say it is. Tony Swan drove the GTR well in the 2008 OLOA and was faster then Ian @ RA and the 2nd session @ Beavrun, we can't count the times @ VIR as I drove and am significantly slower
than Ian, both tracks Tony has driven before and Ian hadn't. My GT3 also was on MUCH better tires, Yoko Advan ADO7's, than the stock GTR rubber.The Corcoran C5 ZO6 is a Twin Turbo rumored to put out 650hp.
As always I look forward to your posts as I agree
with what you say.Peter
07-25-2008, 02:58 PM
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the traction control and AWD system is really the key to the car, computers react much faster than humans can.
cool concept for a car though, let's see if they make a V-spec and take 300-500 lbs out of it.