Pagid P50 "green" race pad - pics + some info ...
08-25-2010, 01:15 AM
#31
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I've read a number of threads on the P50 pads for PCCB and am still confused. My first question is, can the OE pads (P40) be used on PCCB for the track if you are willing to change them more frequently? And are they more PCCB rotor friendly that P50 or is there no difference in that regard?
And with the P50 pads, is the advantage, greater longevity of the pad relative to P40 and better braking when at temp?
For the advanced intermediates like myself, what is the consensus?
And with the P50 pads, is the advantage, greater longevity of the pad relative to P40 and better braking when at temp?
For the advanced intermediates like myself, what is the consensus?
Got back an answer thats neither a yes nor a no!
They say the green P50 is Porsche specific. WTF! I knew that already. Thanks.
Anybody that can help with this with hard facts?
John
08-25-2010, 01:24 PM
#32
Former Vendor
That wasn't me that answered, but the bottom line is this:
Use NOTHING but either stock OR P50/P40 as appropriate. Anything else is playing with fire and NOT for PCCB.
Use NOTHING but either stock OR P50/P40 as appropriate. Anything else is playing with fire and NOT for PCCB.
09-24-2010, 03:55 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
you can make them ... take a set of used sensors cut the wires off about 2" shy of the connector (into the car) end ... bare the wires, twist em together and trim (optionally solder them) and pop a spot of epoxy over them to insulate ... voila!
09-24-2010, 05:41 PM
#35
I was advised by manthey racing that pagid rs29 yellows are fine for pccb and they have a few customers that run them with no problems at all
09-24-2010, 05:51 PM
#37
Former Vendor
Helpful thing to keep in mind is the Pagid PMNA Greens are GREAT for use on steel rotors - if you use Greens and switch from PCCB to steel, the pads do not need to be changed
09-24-2010, 05:56 PM
#38
I may be running the 9m 380 steel conversion next year though if tests prove its worth the money
cheers
01-28-2011, 11:50 PM
#40
Instructor
OKay, on the topic of Pagid P50's......here is another concern I have with these pads. Mind you, I have used probably close to a dozen sets of these pads over the past 2-3 years. I've always changed them out when they get to the 50% of their original thickness, therefore the high number of sets of pads.
I've noticed that once the P50 pads wear down to approx. 5mm or so, you start to see these really nasty metal rivets that portrude through the pad. Luckily, I'm changing out the pads before the rivets can do a number on my PCCB's. But I'm pretty sure they would really scratch up the PCCB surface.
Recently, I switched out to an entirely different brake kit, the Stoptech STR kit with the Endless pads....so I don't need to worry about the P50s anymore. I just have never read or heard of anyone else mentioning that the Pagid P50 pads have metal rivets in them so I thought I should bring up that fact. It was always a concern of mine.
Dan
I've noticed that once the P50 pads wear down to approx. 5mm or so, you start to see these really nasty metal rivets that portrude through the pad. Luckily, I'm changing out the pads before the rivets can do a number on my PCCB's. But I'm pretty sure they would really scratch up the PCCB surface.
Recently, I switched out to an entirely different brake kit, the Stoptech STR kit with the Endless pads....so I don't need to worry about the P50s anymore. I just have never read or heard of anyone else mentioning that the Pagid P50 pads have metal rivets in them so I thought I should bring up that fact. It was always a concern of mine.
Dan
01-31-2011, 10:11 AM
#41
OKay, on the topic of Pagid P50's......here is another concern I have with these pads. Mind you, I have used probably close to a dozen sets of these pads over the past 2-3 years. I've always changed them out when they get to the 50% of their original thickness, therefore the high number of sets of pads.
I've noticed that once the P50 pads wear down to approx. 5mm or so, you start to see these really nasty metal rivets that portrude through the pad. Luckily, I'm changing out the pads before the rivets can do a number on my PCCB's. But I'm pretty sure they would really scratch up the PCCB surface.
Recently, I switched out to an entirely different brake kit, the Stoptech STR kit with the Endless pads....so I don't need to worry about the P50s anymore. I just have never read or heard of anyone else mentioning that the Pagid P50 pads have metal rivets in them so I thought I should bring up that fact. It was always a concern of mine.
Dan
I've noticed that once the P50 pads wear down to approx. 5mm or so, you start to see these really nasty metal rivets that portrude through the pad. Luckily, I'm changing out the pads before the rivets can do a number on my PCCB's. But I'm pretty sure they would really scratch up the PCCB surface.
Recently, I switched out to an entirely different brake kit, the Stoptech STR kit with the Endless pads....so I don't need to worry about the P50s anymore. I just have never read or heard of anyone else mentioning that the Pagid P50 pads have metal rivets in them so I thought I should bring up that fact. It was always a concern of mine.
Dan
01-31-2011, 12:01 PM
#42
Instructor
I was still on my original set of PCCB rotors at 13,000 miles when I swapped out to the Stoptech STRs. Of those 13,000 miles, approximately 3500 were track miles.
The reason I was changing the P50s at 50% was to try to increase the life of the PCCB rotors. But in the end, I swapped out for a whole new brake kit for several different reasons.
Me saying "close to a dozen pads" was a bit of a hyperbole, after actually counting up my purchases the exact number is 7 sets of pads.
The reason I was changing the P50s at 50% was to try to increase the life of the PCCB rotors. But in the end, I swapped out for a whole new brake kit for several different reasons.
Me saying "close to a dozen pads" was a bit of a hyperbole, after actually counting up my purchases the exact number is 7 sets of pads.
01-31-2011, 12:48 PM
#43
Former Vendor
The 'rivets' are typically large finger tip sized brass bonding posts which are common to all Pagids - if you've worn down to these soft posts, then you've gone WAY too far beyond replacement.
