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04-23-2008, 03:19 AM
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Colm,
I subscribe to your theory on the new GT2. Having been one of those burned by the market on the last GT2 even though production was very low over it's four year run, I passed when offered my dealer's first car at MSRP. I'm sure the GT2 is fantastic, but i'm not making that mistake again.
I think the premiums will hold for a short time -- same as was the case on the early '02 GT2's. -- but then the market will collapse. I bought my new '03 for a discount (not nearly enough as it turned out) and there had only been 68 '02 GT2's sold in the prior model year. I remember when one of the first GT2's sold in Cali went to a relatively well known actor for $100K over MSRP...crazy.
I'm already set to be #1 for the next GT3 with DI and sequential....looking forward to it.
I subscribe to your theory on the new GT2. Having been one of those burned by the market on the last GT2 even though production was very low over it's four year run, I passed when offered my dealer's first car at MSRP. I'm sure the GT2 is fantastic, but i'm not making that mistake again.
I think the premiums will hold for a short time -- same as was the case on the early '02 GT2's. -- but then the market will collapse. I bought my new '03 for a discount (not nearly enough as it turned out) and there had only been 68 '02 GT2's sold in the prior model year. I remember when one of the first GT2's sold in Cali went to a relatively well known actor for $100K over MSRP...crazy.
I'm already set to be #1 for the next GT3 with DI and sequential....looking forward to it.
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04-23-2008, 03:02 PM
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LOL, how can you be burned when you bought the god dam thing for invoice ? Do dealers have to loose money now just to make stuffed guys like yourself happy? How did you ever make your dough in your coveted ex law firm is beyond me because you surely did work strictly for charity and if a case did not work out the way it was suposed to work out you just refunded your clients $$ plus some extra cash for the sad ending.What a guy.
BTW, does your detail guy come with you to your track events so your rides are nice and shiney also or was he just booked when he had to clean the GT2 with "special" microfiber rags,lol, on the lot, to meet your paint expectations before you signed the dotted line ?
I am puzzled , are GT2's amateur track cars or detailers fantasies ?
As for the threadstarter, it must be painful for a accountant like youself, despite all the smart moves ,crystal ball predictions and buying it "right" angles, witnessing your Black series drop faster than the Titanic.
BTW, does your detail guy come with you to your track events so your rides are nice and shiney also or was he just booked when he had to clean the GT2 with "special" microfiber rags,lol, on the lot, to meet your paint expectations before you signed the dotted line ?
I am puzzled , are GT2's amateur track cars or detailers fantasies ?
As for the threadstarter, it must be painful for a accountant like youself, despite all the smart moves ,crystal ball predictions and buying it "right" angles, witnessing your Black series drop faster than the Titanic.
Why so pissed off? Jeez, we all thought that leaving Auto Gallery and the Washington air would chill you out. I understand you are disgruntled from some of your pain in the *** clients, that's why I never chimed in, but come on, attacking Jack???
From what I remember, Jack was nothing but nice to you. Are there any of your clients that you are not pissed at?
Have a nice day!
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04-23-2008, 03:53 PM
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So that is who Pole is? A mere disgruntled auto salesman? No wonder he gets pissed when someone uses alittle science in some of our posts.
04-23-2008, 09:00 PM
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LOL, how can you be burned when you bought the god dam thing for invoice ? Do dealers have to loose money now just to make stuffed guys like yourself happy? How did you ever make your dough in your coveted ex law firm is beyond me because you surely did work strictly for charity and if a case did not work out the way it was suposed to work out you just refunded your clients $$ plus some extra cash for the sad ending.What a guy.
BTW, does your detail guy come with you to your track events so your rides are nice and shiney also or was he just booked when he had to clean the GT2 with "special" microfiber rags,lol, on the lot, to meet your paint expectations before you signed the dotted line ?
I am puzzled , are GT2's amateur track cars or detailers fantasies ?
As for the threadstarter, it must be painful for a accountant like youself, despite all the smart moves ,crystal ball predictions and buying it "right" angles, witnessing your Black series drop faster than the Titanic.
BTW, does your detail guy come with you to your track events so your rides are nice and shiney also or was he just booked when he had to clean the GT2 with "special" microfiber rags,lol, on the lot, to meet your paint expectations before you signed the dotted line ?
I am puzzled , are GT2's amateur track cars or detailers fantasies ?
As for the threadstarter, it must be painful for a accountant like youself, despite all the smart moves ,crystal ball predictions and buying it "right" angles, witnessing your Black series drop faster than the Titanic.
He is well liked on the Lotus side as well as over here (besides one individual). Although he has an RS and an Exige Cup car and I believe some Ferraris also at some point; I have never witnessed him talk down (or write down) to anybody. He contributes useful information and is easy to get along with on these excellent forums.
I hope I have the pleasure of meeting Jack personally some day; it would probably be at the track, and during a Porsche or Lotus event.
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04-24-2008, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pole position
LOL, how can you be burned when you bought the god dam thing for invoice ? Do dealers have to loose money now just to make stuffed guys like yourself happy? How did you ever make your dough in your coveted ex law firm is beyond me because you surely did work strictly for charity and if a case did not work out the way it was suposed to work out you just refunded your clients $$ plus some extra cash for the sad ending.What a guy.
BTW, does your detail guy come with you to your track events so your rides are nice and shiney also or was he just booked when he had to clean the GT2 with "special" microfiber rags,lol, on the lot, to meet your paint expectations before you signed the dotted line ?
I am puzzled , are GT2's amateur track cars or detailers fantasies ?
As for the threadstarter, it must be painful for a accountant like youself, despite all the smart moves ,crystal ball predictions and buying it "right" angles, witnessing your Black series drop faster than the Titanic.
Polar Peter:
Whenever I buy a car at MSRP, and it depreciates like a rock I might feel stupid
Whenever I buy a car over MSRP, and it depreciates like a rock, I might feel dumb
If I ever bought a car from you, I would certainly feel like, and be, a sucker!
How's that for an angle!
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I have good idea why your Mother might not have hugged you!
You might call that a compound angle!!
LOL, how can you be burned when you bought the god dam thing for invoice ? Do dealers have to loose money now just to make stuffed guys like yourself happy? How did you ever make your dough in your coveted ex law firm is beyond me because you surely did work strictly for charity and if a case did not work out the way it was suposed to work out you just refunded your clients $$ plus some extra cash for the sad ending.What a guy.
BTW, does your detail guy come with you to your track events so your rides are nice and shiney also or was he just booked when he had to clean the GT2 with "special" microfiber rags,lol, on the lot, to meet your paint expectations before you signed the dotted line ?
I am puzzled , are GT2's amateur track cars or detailers fantasies ?
As for the threadstarter, it must be painful for a accountant like youself, despite all the smart moves ,crystal ball predictions and buying it "right" angles, witnessing your Black series drop faster than the Titanic.
Polar Peter:
Whenever I buy a car at MSRP, and it depreciates like a rock I might feel stupid
Whenever I buy a car over MSRP, and it depreciates like a rock, I might feel dumb
If I ever bought a car from you, I would certainly feel like, and be, a sucker!
How's that for an angle!
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I have good idea why your Mother might not have hugged you!
You might call that a compound angle!!
04-24-2008, 01:56 AM
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04-24-2008, 03:54 AM
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Hey guys....go easy on Oliver (Pole Position), he can't help himself. All those years of selling used cars has taken its toll. 
I appreciate all the kind words and support as well the several PM's alerting me to my dire mistreatment, but I shall not lose any sleep over PP's comments (which have apparently been deleted). Just got back from a day at the track with Craig Stanton (no, he's not my detailer), so I'm a happy camper!
I feel honored to have been painted with the same brush as Colm -- I can't think of being in better company.
I also subscribe to Colm's admonition: "Never argue with idiots - first they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience."
I appreciate all the kind words and support as well the several PM's alerting me to my dire mistreatment, but I shall not lose any sleep over PP's comments (which have apparently been deleted). Just got back from a day at the track with Craig Stanton (no, he's not my detailer), so I'm a happy camper!
I feel honored to have been painted with the same brush as Colm -- I can't think of being in better company.
I also subscribe to Colm's admonition: "Never argue with idiots - first they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience."
04-24-2008, 04:24 AM
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I stand by my post, nothing but the truth.
Coincidently my opinions are shared almost exclusivly by other people in the car business who had dealings with you. Fact ,not fiction.
Maybe you should listen to WAR's Smiling faces a little more , it will give you a hint.
Coincidently my opinions are shared almost exclusivly by other people in the car business who had dealings with you. Fact ,not fiction.
Maybe you should listen to WAR's Smiling faces a little more , it will give you a hint.
04-24-2008, 12:33 PM
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Oliver,
You and truth appear to be mutually exclusive. I'll stand by my reputation over yours any day.
Tells us of your wonderful relationships at Beverly Hills Porsche, Ogner MotorCars and AutoGallery...I'm sure it would make for some interesting reading.
In the meantime, you have a wonderful day. I know that I will.
All the best,
You and truth appear to be mutually exclusive. I'll stand by my reputation over yours any day.
Tells us of your wonderful relationships at Beverly Hills Porsche, Ogner MotorCars and AutoGallery...I'm sure it would make for some interesting reading.
In the meantime, you have a wonderful day. I know that I will.
All the best,
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04-24-2008, 01:43 PM
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There are alot of people on this board who know Jack and hold him in very high regard! I personally think the Porsche dealers in LA are lousy and I buy my cars out of state.
04-24-2008, 01:51 PM
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The 997GT2 will not depreciation like the 996GT2 because it is equipped with PSM and is much more user friendly. The 996GT2 was known as the widowmaker for good reason.
Additionally, the 997GT2 performance parameters are as good as the CGT which cost almost twice as much. That said, I still can not understand anyone paying a substantial premium for any Porsche.
Jack, I cannot imagine how anyone can find fault with you or your posts. However, your selection of cars may get my attention.
Additionally, the 997GT2 performance parameters are as good as the CGT which cost almost twice as much. That said, I still can not understand anyone paying a substantial premium for any Porsche.
Jack, I cannot imagine how anyone can find fault with you or your posts. However, your selection of cars may get my attention.
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I know Jack and he's cool... but thats another story.
Late to the party but have to agree w/ OP. Times have changed (fast) in the last 12 mos since the RS and GT3 came out, and unless you're living under a rock, its clear there's less money out there and less eagerness to spend it at all levels. So aside from the first couple of cars in being sold to the "must-have-first-money-no-object" crowd (now slightly thinning) for premiums, MSRP and MSRP off on GT2s is going to be order of the day.
I remember when the dot com boom was booming in 99/00/01 and I'd regularly pop into Bev Hills Porsche and see plain vanilla 996 TTs going for $20k++ over invoice in 2000 when they first came out.
Cut to maybe 12 mos later when the bottom dropped out of the market and it was all doom and gloom and I picked up a brand new $100k sticker 996 C4 for $10k off.
Times are a changing...
Late to the party but have to agree w/ OP. Times have changed (fast) in the last 12 mos since the RS and GT3 came out, and unless you're living under a rock, its clear there's less money out there and less eagerness to spend it at all levels. So aside from the first couple of cars in being sold to the "must-have-first-money-no-object" crowd (now slightly thinning) for premiums, MSRP and MSRP off on GT2s is going to be order of the day.
I remember when the dot com boom was booming in 99/00/01 and I'd regularly pop into Bev Hills Porsche and see plain vanilla 996 TTs going for $20k++ over invoice in 2000 when they first came out.
Cut to maybe 12 mos later when the bottom dropped out of the market and it was all doom and gloom and I picked up a brand new $100k sticker 996 C4 for $10k off.
Times are a changing...