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Old 02-04-2008 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 171mph
I think i know the C2 driver you're talking about. i met him for the first time at this event and was amazed that he was hitting 1:47 on a stock c2 with street tires. plus he was hammering it in the rain too. i think he does mostly socal events - who knew those sunshine guys could drive in the wet?!

on something completely different, i found this video of the Radical race there sunday am. pretty cool watching these dudes floor it through lakes and rivers. check out the corrections on the straight (2:05) and a nice recovery on turn 3 (4:25)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=maYU-YiomKc
Yes...it was the guy that was hammering it in the wet. I have seen him at a few other things in SoCal....nice guy, and dang fast. He usually brings a set of Toyo DOT-R tires in/on his car and makes me feel even that much slower.
Old 02-04-2008 | 09:20 PM
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What is a "4.00:1 R&P" ?

Sorry for the newbie question

4.00:1 Ring and pinion gear..... I am not sure what stock is 3.7?:1 ???? others will have to answer

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Old 02-04-2008 | 09:47 PM
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Old 02-05-2008 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Yargk
I was in Blue and White on Sunday. I thought for sure I saw a white GT3 in Blue once and I assumed it was you. Then later the yellow 3 passed me VERY quickly. Did rad run something other than Red? If not maybe I went out a little early...

I was going to say hi, but the white GT3 disappeared off the paddock. Did you leave early? There seems to be a bunch of dates in the next month. I'll be back at Laguna on the 28th, but I'm trying to decide between T-hill on the 22nd of February or the beginning of March. When are you going back?
yellow GT3 was jeff's. jeff and i only did red on sat and each did one lap in black on sunday.

Rad was in seal gray GT3.

i left around 2pm sunday.

i'll be at LS 2/28
Old 02-05-2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mooty
yellow GT3 was jeff's. jeff and i only did red on sat and each did one lap in black on sunday.

Rad was in seal gray GT3.

i left around 2pm sunday.

i'll be at LS 2/28
What group is running on 2/28?

I have never run at LS before and would like to give it a go

Thanks,
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Old 02-05-2008 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crispenigl
What group is running on 2/28?

I have never run at LS before and would like to give it a go

Thanks,
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http://trackmasters-racing.com/

Get on it, they say they're almost full.
Old 02-05-2008 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Yargk
http://trackmasters-racing.com/

Get on it, they say they're almost full.

Ugg

Its very hard for me to take off work to go to these events.

Why cant they hold them on a weekend
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They run weekends look at the web at L.S.

http://www.laguna-seca.com/TrackRental/

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Old 02-05-2008 | 05:46 PM
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Speed Ventures is running 2/25 Monday. Very enjoyable to run with. They will give you an instructor (like me ) to help you get the line and whatever else you want with instruction.

There are weekends at LS but they get very rare as the season heats up. Green Flag runs some as well.
Old 02-06-2008 | 04:34 AM
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for the nice tracks, LS and infineon, it's very difficult to get weekend dates, other than during the raining season.

i find LS or sears point are worth skipping work for.

2/28 is track master. great group.
Old 02-06-2008 | 05:00 AM
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mooty you need to write me a sick note so I can skip work ahem.. to go tracking
Old 02-06-2008 | 09:39 AM
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The video is coming later, for unknown reasons, every time I try to create the combined video/data file my laptop crashes. I will upgrade my DivX and TrackVision tomorrow.

This was my first time at this track, and second track day with the GT3 on the West coast. My car was very bad in the first session, it was oversteering at every turn. My best time on session 1, 1:50.

I moved the rear bar to full soft (from stock), and the car got better, but not yet as I like it. The definitive suspect of these latest oversteering conditions (first one at Cal Speedway) is the RS roll bar, as it was installed with reinforced lower plates, and it has increased rear rigidity a lot. The fix is very simple.

Mooty and Jeff know their way on this track very well. I started learning their lines, and at the end of the day (session 4) I could keep up with Mooty, with Jeff not so much.

This is the data analysis from my fastest session (session 4), unfortunately not in video, due to a dead camcorder battery.

My fastest session on video (session 3) was 2 seconds slower per lap than this last one.

I found several areas of improvements on my driving at Laguna Seca, based on my fastest session data.

1) I'm braking on the main straight (Sector 1 on my map), when I should be flat-out. This is adding a lot to my lap times.

2) There is some coasting in Turn 2 (sector 2), I need to eliminate that

3) There is some coasting in Turn 3 (sector 3). No need for that.

4) After Turn 3 up to the cork screw, the data shows consistency. I dropped 2 seconds from my session 3 times by improving in this entire section. At all my previous sessions, I was not getting hard enough on the gas at mid corner, not taking advantage of the high banking.

5) Coasting at the cork screw, newbie mistake (sector 7)

6) Excessive coasting on Turn 9.

7) Turn 10 and 11 look ok, and they felt right.

The small black sections on the straights are the upshifts.

I like the new version of TrackVision (v2.0.5). It gives you a theoretical fastest lap combining all the segments.

My fastest lap was 1:42.051 on lap 8 Session 4. The fastest theoretical lap was a 1:41.076, but that includes all the mistakes mentioned above.

I ran on Toyo RA-1 275/335 at 6/32" rear and 4/32" front. From my NorthEast tracks, running my Hoosiers 285/335 drop my times by 1.2 secs per 60 secs lap, something like a 2 seconds drop at Laguna Seca. Reduce another 1.5 secs if running slicks.

Laguna is not an easy track, over braking (my problem on the first three sessions) really hurts the lap times, as there are a lot of uphill sections.

This track has become my favorite by far. Watkins Glen is next to this one.

Old 02-06-2008 | 11:53 AM
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1) I'm braking on the main straight (Sector 1 on my map), when I should be flat-out. This is adding a lot to my lap times.
==> yes, wot, until braking zone. you get light and scary, but you get used to it.

2) There is some coasting in Turn 2 (sector 2), I need to eliminate that
==> i like to make the car push a bit there and lift to turn it. so when you see me on dirt, i lifted too much ;-)

3) There is some coasting in Turn 3 (sector 3). No need for that.
==> i can't do this right, it's a lot faster than what i do. this is where jeff drops me.

4) After Turn 3 up to the cork screw, the data shows consistency. I dropped 2 seconds from my session 3 times by improving in this entire section. At all my previous sessions, I was not getting hard enough on the gas at mid corner, not taking advantage of the high banking.
==> i suck here. i need to be brave, unwind sooner and throttle more.

5) Coasting at the cork screw, newbie mistake (sector 7)
==> much like T1, wot, i am in 4th up the hill

6) Excessive coasting on Turn 9.
==> when you can SEE the apex, aim and feed to WOT, drift out, but watch for walls on both side as you come down the hill. if you drifted full right, you will have hard time to get left for T10. i often cannot get full left for T10.


7) Turn 10 and 11 look ok, and they felt right.
==> very unfair at T11 with that R&P!!


I ran on Toyo RA-1 275/335 at 6/32" rear and 4/32" front. From my NorthEast tracks, running my Hoosiers 285/335 drop my times by 1.2 secs per 60 secs lap, something like a 2 seconds drop at Laguna Seca. Reduce another 1.5 secs if running slicks.
==> so on hoohoos and once you clean off your mistakes, you wil be 1:38 or so... right on. think jeff did 1:38 with mpsc!!!. i would think by day 3 at LS, you will need wings on the car


This track has become my favorite by far. Watkins Glen is next to this one.
==> wait until you see infineon!!!
Old 02-06-2008 | 12:10 PM
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==> i like to make the car push a bit there and lift to turn it. so when you see me on dirt, i lifted too much ;-)

So in this do you run a single apex? and you lift between the tow apexes? to let the back out for better line through the second apex,

I ask this because I ran with a ex 911 guy saturday in his sti in your run group and he hit both apexes and drifted into line for second apex?

I was told, run a single apex in that turn.

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Old 02-06-2008 | 01:34 PM
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So in this do you run a single apex? and you lift between the tow apexes? to let the back out for better line through the second apex,
==> it is my opinion (which if often wrong haha) that late single apex when done right is faster than double apex at T2. but it's hard to get right. it is also safer.

if i am racing with CFRA or ARC, i will double apex to protect the inside. however, it's pointless to double apex at DE (other than practicing the technique) b/c often time to set up my car at the first apex, by the time i am turning it's just about when i will T-Bone the car trying to single late apex (which most ppl do, at T2). but think why i am at a place i can T-bone the car on the outside.... that means in racing, i am getting under that car and get around the turn quicker... well unless the outside car close the door on me and force me off track.


I ask this because I ran with a ex 911 guy saturday in his sti in your run group and he hit both apexes and drifted into line for second apex?
==> you can hit both apex, but you can't drift to the second one.
you clip the first apex, drive straight to the outside of the turn like you are going off and then brk hard, rotate the car and you should now be pointed at 2nd apex. it's like a 90 deg roation, so you can't drift... i can't imagine that. however once you get to 2nd apex, you will drift to exit the turn before braking again.


I was told, run a single apex in that turn.
==> that is the PCA school line. i dont think there is one correct line. practice both so that when you HAVE to use one or the other, you have a choice.

let me confuse you more with a hybrid.
hit first apex, but brake as soon as you are there so you can rotate the car to 2nd apex mid the middle of the track so you dont scare the outside car too much. you will be slower this way, but with the right lift, you will be well set up for the apex of T3.

why i do this?.... the truth is that i am not very good at single late apex or at double apexing that turn, so i sort of made this thing up. but surprisingly it's very effective. give it a try.

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