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Old 12-14-2007, 07:48 PM
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Some say Supercardom requires 600+ bhp and exotic styling, and by this yardstick even the 997 GT2 does not quite qualify.

But the 911 GT2/3/RS is the ultimate sports car for true enthusiasts.
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Originally Posted by nkhalidi
I agree completely. Supercar to me means limited production, limited availability, high desirability, exotic styling, and genre-defying performance. A 911 variant may fill some - or all - of these categories for you, but they really don't for me. The only 911s that come close by my defintion are 959 and 997GT2.

Porsche's only really built one supercar, CGT. Maybe 911 GT1. Ferrari has built several - F40, F50 (really underrated, I think), Enzo. Lamborghinis don't really appeal to me. It's a rarefied place, supercardom.
I think you're close. The 997GT2 I do not believe is a supercar. The 959, GT1, 993 GT2, and CGT are supercars. It is how the car performs and is seen for its time that determines this status. The 993 GT2 was incredibly rare, wild looking, and fast at the time, as were the others I mention. Anyone can get a 997 GT2 when it comes out, and neither it nor the -6 GT2 will ever have the status of the -3 GT2. A 997S can be modded to perform like a GT3 pretty reliably. Almost nothing can be modded to perform like an Enzo and still be street legal.
Old 12-15-2007, 12:24 AM
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IMHO, a car needs to be sub-4 sec 0-60, AND 200+ top speed, AND carry 1+g lateral acceleration to qualify as a supercar. If that's the case, the GT3/RS won't make it. I know it is simplistic, but those are some mighty tough barriers to breach in cardom. It's hard just to make one of those, let alone all three.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 12-15-2007, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nkhalidi
I agree completely. Supercar to me means limited production, limited availability, high desirability, exotic styling, and genre-defying performance. A 911 variant may fill some - or all - of these categories for you, but they really don't for me. The only 911s that come close by my defintion are 959 and 997GT2.

Porsche's only really built one supercar, CGT. Maybe 911 GT1. Ferrari has built several - F40, F50 (really underrated, I think), Enzo. Lamborghinis don't really appeal to me. It's a rarefied place, supercardom.
You need to rethink your comment "The only 911s that come close by my defintion are 959 and 997GT2."

By any standard the 959 is a supercar and was 10-20 years ahead of its time and it qualifies in every category of judging that you have listed above.
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The euro version with all the tricks, yes. The 'dumbed down' US version, no imo.
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Numbers are a qualifier, had an e60 M5 capable of 205mph etc. but it felt boring and isolated under 100mph.

The most tangible thing with P cars is the overall package these cars are exciting to drive around town at school zone speeds as well as the track, it's never been about straight line performance. therefore they hold your interest longer imo than a super high hp car.





Originally Posted by CP
IMHO, a car needs to be sub-4 sec 0-60, AND 200+ top speed, AND carry 1+g lateral acceleration to qualify as a supercar. If that's the case, the GT3/RS won't make it. I know it is simplistic, but those are some mighty tough barriers to breach in cardom. It's hard just to make one of those, let alone all three.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 12-15-2007, 02:59 AM
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By some of the definitions, this just may be a supercar:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
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Originally Posted by mooty
not a super car. it has no cape.
+1....good coffee car.
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Just read this.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ariel-atom.htm

The Atom is plain insane.

Mooty, you NEED this car.

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Old 12-15-2007, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CP
Just read this.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ariel-atom.htm

The Atom is plain insane.

Mooty, you NEED this car.

CP
i drove the atom. i dont understand the car. i really hated it. i take jack's 255 cup over atom any day or radical.

i just emailed you pong. you need THAT car.
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Originally Posted by Jack
+1....good coffee car.
indeed, i detailed four cars today, got tired 1/2 way through, drove RS to cafe strada (next to Cal for those in the bay area)..
Old 12-16-2007, 01:16 AM
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mooty: Did you drive it out at T-Hill?
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Originally Posted by roberga
mooty: Did you drive it out at T-Hill?
u mean the atom?
i drove it on hwy 35 and 9, rather recklessly i might add (duck).
but i just dont feel safe and too much wind buffetting. if you dont have helmet on, you can't open your eyes.

radical on the other hand, i felt very safe in it.
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You might see mooty in this Atom video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvdilDQ-XBI
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Originally Posted by dp35
You might see mooty in this Atom video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvdilDQ-XBI
nice camera darin.
i didn't see me in the video though

that was trackmasters?


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