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Old 09-09-2007, 11:11 AM
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Lou,

Normally I'm with you, but that is pure ricer logic. You certainly can make a TT faster than a stock GT-2. But you can't make it a GT-2. That's not serious.

Better you start with an RS and drop in the TT motor (with new intake) into it. How much will it cost now?

Warranty?

Collectability?

It is entirely possible that the GT-2 wil be the last great boxer-6 that Porsche makes. But I don't know that.
Old 09-09-2007, 12:06 PM
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And to uppgrade a TT to full gt3 suspention parts like upright and so i would cost alot,Gt2 is like a Gt3
Old 09-09-2007, 12:21 PM
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THe parts for a full GT3 RS suspension upgrade from Gert is aprox $6K USD that leaves you
63K $USD in your pocket. thats alot of fun money-(those are 996 parts and we dont know yet the
997 costs)
Old 09-09-2007, 12:25 PM
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And Robin Well put you said in a couple sentences what I have been trying to say in 8 posts.
Its a bastard child with no where to go. And as you say its about grabbing the tuner dollars
but man does Porsche WANT those tuner dollars!!! $70K per Copy. I am sure you could
drop you brand new TT off at Steven Phd at Imaginauto and for alot less end up with alot more.

theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
Old 09-09-2007, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGuy
.......theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
I believe that the comparison for the GT2 are the equivalent cars from Ruf, TechArt and possibly 9ff and Edo - and let us not forget engines prepared by TTP and RS. However, I believe this is about more than just a big motor with hooters, I always say 'but how would you like to drive it across the Alps at night in a storm?'

I suspect that the Ruf variant is a better proposition, in Germany, from a depreciation point of view.

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Old 09-09-2007, 01:37 PM
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I don't get the whole collector thing. If you want to have every new Porsche keep it in the wrapper for years that is fine. All you are doing is throwing $$ away. Porsche has never made a car that appreciates out of the box. In the next 5 to 8 years you will be able to buy as many GT3 RS/GT2 cars as you want. They will be below MSRP and will be in the wrapper. Forget the collection thing and lets talk some fun.

Go drive them. The GT3 RS is a blast to drive. To fast for the street so get it on the track. That is where you can fully appreciate it. The GT2 will be an animal. Drive it. The joy of a big collection is putting one car against the other. You don't have a GT2, go get one, All you are doing with 3 GT3 RS cars is losing money every day. You might as well spend a little of that depreciation on some quality wheel time...

Maybe you drive the **** out of your cars, Maybe you are a Porsche club racer, The ultimate in enjoyment. If so you are a lucky man. Buy as many of them as you can afford. Just don't forget how much fun they are to drive at the limit. To many Porsche people would rather wash them and look at them than drive them...
Old 09-09-2007, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by allegretto
Lou,

Normally I'm with you, but that is pure ricer logic. You certainly can make a TT faster than a stock GT-2. But you can't make it a GT-2. That's not serious.

Better you start with an RS and drop in the TT motor (with new intake) into it. How much will it cost now?

Warranty?

Collectability?

It is entirely possible that the GT-2 wil be the last great boxer-6 that Porsche makes. But I don't know that.
Certainly it won't have the value, warranty, or panache of the GT2. I'm just speaking hypothetically on the bare-bones performance. Dropping a TT motor into an RS vs dropping an RS suspension on a TT is like doing a heart & lung transplant vs doing a breast augmentation and tummy tuck.
Old 09-09-2007, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGuy
And Robin Well put you said in a couple sentences what I have been trying to say in 8 posts.
Its a bastard child with no where to go. And as you say its about grabbing the tuner dollars
but man does Porsche WANT those tuner dollars!!! $70K per Copy. I am sure you could
drop you brand new TT off at Steven Phd at Imaginauto and for alot less end up with alot more.

theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
I thought we talked about the 996 gt2 its a gt3 on steroids not a TT
Old 09-09-2007, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eclou
Certainly it won't have the value, warranty, or panache of the GT2. I'm just speaking hypothetically on the bare-bones performance. Dropping a TT motor into an RS vs dropping an RS suspension on a TT is like doing a heart & lung transplant vs doing a breast augmentation and tummy tuck.
I'll just say that I think it's baswards

A GT-2 will be far more like a special TT motor in an RS than a TT with an RS suspension. In fact,it would seem a little difficult to me how you see it any other way. Anyway, doing the TT would be more like liposuction.

Look at the car's position in the line-up. This car is meant to be the supreme car in the "GT" series, not a different type of variant. At least that's how I read it.

And,I agree,ya gotta drive 'em. I'm sure I'll be keeping my 3!
Old 09-09-2007, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spg993tt
But i will point something out, of all the cars that i wish i had bot, that i dicked around thinking about rather than pulling a trigger, the one that distresses me the most Ray Josephs' 1997 993 GT2 - EVO, Yellow. Did any of you guys see that car when he had it.
Too bad it wasn't street legal...
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Old 09-09-2007, 05:20 PM
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993 gt2 is street legal, maybe not in the US but here in Euro they are
Old 09-09-2007, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickard 993 Turbo
993 gt2 is street legal, maybe not in the US but here in Euro they are

The one above was a race version and neither are street legal in the US.
Old 09-10-2007, 05:18 AM
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Spg993tt, how many cars do you own?
How many do you regularly drive?
Are all your cars street legal?

Samuel
Old 09-10-2007, 06:47 AM
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i own a few: a few 964s, a couple of flatnoses, a ford GT, a few 993 Turbos, and then the 997GT3RSs and a 997Turbo.
i drive the 997Turbo, and then will drive either the black or silver gt3rs more regularly. i think i'll end up selling one of the two. i've had a few discussions about doing so. whichever id ont sell, i'll end up keeping and start driving more of.
i really dig the orange and green for the collection, but they are a bit loud for me personally to drive around in regularly. thats just a subjective thing. they are awsome colors. just not my favorite colors to drive, but those are collectible colors for sure.

time to go to work. thx again to everyone for their advise on gt2-gt3 issues. there is a lot of good knowledge up here adn i'm appreciate of your sharing your ideas with me. definately helps. thats how i get a bit better,s marter at all this.


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Spg993tt, how many cars do you own?
How many do you regularly drive?
Are all your cars street legal?

Samuel
Old 09-10-2007, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spg993tt
i own a few: a few 964s, a couple of flatnoses, a ford GT, a few 993 Turbos, and then the 997GT3RSs and a 997Turbo.
with all collecting the general view is that one should 'specialise' and go after a few examples of real quality rather than a number of lesser quality.

Whatever you are collecting, the very best examples show a superior return on investment over time and are more resilient in falling markets.

Would I collect Porsche street carts, NO! Would I collect Porsche race cars YES! Having said that I wouild leave Cup cars alone, too many of them. Something with an accredited history that can be verified. Something genuinely scarce. Do not get hung up on engine/gearbox/chassis numbers with race cars, as long as the provenance explains what has happened.

With a really good racer of historic importance, you will be pleasantly surprised how many people invite you to take part in events all over the world.

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