997 GT3RS vs GT2 Comparisons
#31
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Lou,
Normally I'm with you, but that is pure ricer logic. You certainly can make a TT faster than a stock GT-2. But you can't make it a GT-2. That's not serious.
Better you start with an RS and drop in the TT motor (with new intake) into it. How much will it cost now?
Warranty?
Collectability?
It is entirely possible that the GT-2 wil be the last great boxer-6 that Porsche makes. But I don't know that.
Normally I'm with you, but that is pure ricer logic. You certainly can make a TT faster than a stock GT-2. But you can't make it a GT-2. That's not serious.
Better you start with an RS and drop in the TT motor (with new intake) into it. How much will it cost now?
Warranty?
Collectability?
It is entirely possible that the GT-2 wil be the last great boxer-6 that Porsche makes. But I don't know that.
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THe parts for a full GT3 RS suspension upgrade from Gert is aprox $6K USD that leaves you
63K $USD in your pocket. thats alot of fun money-(those are 996 parts and we dont know yet the
997 costs)
63K $USD in your pocket. thats alot of fun money-(those are 996 parts and we dont know yet the
997 costs)
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And Robin Well put you said in a couple sentences what I have been trying to say in 8 posts.
Its a bastard child with no where to go. And as you say its about grabbing the tuner dollars
but man does Porsche WANT those tuner dollars!!! $70K per Copy. I am sure you could
drop you brand new TT off at Steven Phd at Imaginauto and for alot less end up with alot more.
theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
Its a bastard child with no where to go. And as you say its about grabbing the tuner dollars
but man does Porsche WANT those tuner dollars!!! $70K per Copy. I am sure you could
drop you brand new TT off at Steven Phd at Imaginauto and for alot less end up with alot more.
theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
#35
I suspect that the Ruf variant is a better proposition, in Germany, from a depreciation point of view.
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#36
I don't get the whole collector thing. If you want to have every new Porsche keep it in the wrapper for years that is fine. All you are doing is throwing $$ away. Porsche has never made a car that appreciates out of the box. In the next 5 to 8 years you will be able to buy as many GT3 RS/GT2 cars as you want. They will be below MSRP and will be in the wrapper. Forget the collection thing and lets talk some fun.
Go drive them. The GT3 RS is a blast to drive. To fast for the street so get it on the track. That is where you can fully appreciate it. The GT2 will be an animal. Drive it. The joy of a big collection is putting one car against the other. You don't have a GT2, go get one, All you are doing with 3 GT3 RS cars is losing money every day. You might as well spend a little of that depreciation on some quality wheel time...
Maybe you drive the **** out of your cars, Maybe you are a Porsche club racer, The ultimate in enjoyment. If so you are a lucky man. Buy as many of them as you can afford. Just don't forget how much fun they are to drive at the limit. To many Porsche people would rather wash them and look at them than drive them...
Go drive them. The GT3 RS is a blast to drive. To fast for the street so get it on the track. That is where you can fully appreciate it. The GT2 will be an animal. Drive it. The joy of a big collection is putting one car against the other. You don't have a GT2, go get one, All you are doing with 3 GT3 RS cars is losing money every day. You might as well spend a little of that depreciation on some quality wheel time...
Maybe you drive the **** out of your cars, Maybe you are a Porsche club racer, The ultimate in enjoyment. If so you are a lucky man. Buy as many of them as you can afford. Just don't forget how much fun they are to drive at the limit. To many Porsche people would rather wash them and look at them than drive them...
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Lou,
Normally I'm with you, but that is pure ricer logic. You certainly can make a TT faster than a stock GT-2. But you can't make it a GT-2. That's not serious.
Better you start with an RS and drop in the TT motor (with new intake) into it. How much will it cost now?
Warranty?
Collectability?
It is entirely possible that the GT-2 wil be the last great boxer-6 that Porsche makes. But I don't know that.
Normally I'm with you, but that is pure ricer logic. You certainly can make a TT faster than a stock GT-2. But you can't make it a GT-2. That's not serious.
Better you start with an RS and drop in the TT motor (with new intake) into it. How much will it cost now?
Warranty?
Collectability?
It is entirely possible that the GT-2 wil be the last great boxer-6 that Porsche makes. But I don't know that.
#38
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And Robin Well put you said in a couple sentences what I have been trying to say in 8 posts.
Its a bastard child with no where to go. And as you say its about grabbing the tuner dollars
but man does Porsche WANT those tuner dollars!!! $70K per Copy. I am sure you could
drop you brand new TT off at Steven Phd at Imaginauto and for alot less end up with alot more.
theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
Its a bastard child with no where to go. And as you say its about grabbing the tuner dollars
but man does Porsche WANT those tuner dollars!!! $70K per Copy. I am sure you could
drop you brand new TT off at Steven Phd at Imaginauto and for alot less end up with alot more.
theres no doubt the GT2 is more than a TT
just not $70K more and now for 996 GT2s they cost only
about 10-15K more than a 996 TT which is where it should be.
#39
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Certainly it won't have the value, warranty, or panache of the GT2. I'm just speaking hypothetically on the bare-bones performance. Dropping a TT motor into an RS vs dropping an RS suspension on a TT is like doing a heart & lung transplant vs doing a breast augmentation and tummy tuck.
A GT-2 will be far more like a special TT motor in an RS than a TT with an RS suspension. In fact,it would seem a little difficult to me how you see it any other way. Anyway, doing the TT would be more like liposuction.
Look at the car's position in the line-up. This car is meant to be the supreme car in the "GT" series, not a different type of variant. At least that's how I read it.
And,I agree,ya gotta drive 'em. I'm sure I'll be keeping my 3!
#44
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i own a few: a few 964s, a couple of flatnoses, a ford GT, a few 993 Turbos, and then the 997GT3RSs and a 997Turbo.
i drive the 997Turbo, and then will drive either the black or silver gt3rs more regularly. i think i'll end up selling one of the two. i've had a few discussions about doing so. whichever id ont sell, i'll end up keeping and start driving more of.
i really dig the orange and green for the collection, but they are a bit loud for me personally to drive around in regularly. thats just a subjective thing. they are awsome colors. just not my favorite colors to drive, but those are collectible colors for sure.
time to go to work. thx again to everyone for their advise on gt2-gt3 issues. there is a lot of good knowledge up here adn i'm appreciate of your sharing your ideas with me. definately helps. thats how i get a bit better,s marter at all this.
i drive the 997Turbo, and then will drive either the black or silver gt3rs more regularly. i think i'll end up selling one of the two. i've had a few discussions about doing so. whichever id ont sell, i'll end up keeping and start driving more of.
i really dig the orange and green for the collection, but they are a bit loud for me personally to drive around in regularly. thats just a subjective thing. they are awsome colors. just not my favorite colors to drive, but those are collectible colors for sure.
time to go to work. thx again to everyone for their advise on gt2-gt3 issues. there is a lot of good knowledge up here adn i'm appreciate of your sharing your ideas with me. definately helps. thats how i get a bit better,s marter at all this.
#45
Whatever you are collecting, the very best examples show a superior return on investment over time and are more resilient in falling markets.
Would I collect Porsche street carts, NO! Would I collect Porsche race cars YES! Having said that I wouild leave Cup cars alone, too many of them. Something with an accredited history that can be verified. Something genuinely scarce. Do not get hung up on engine/gearbox/chassis numbers with race cars, as long as the provenance explains what has happened.
With a really good racer of historic importance, you will be pleasantly surprised how many people invite you to take part in events all over the world.
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