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Thanks Steve!
To answer the poster's question on power: Getting more power into the GT2 is not a problem. I haven't had my car on the dyno and neither did the previous owner, but it feels well into the 600's. I really like to keep cars as close to stock as possible. My GT2 has bigger turbos, a tune (I actually had it re-tuned from the previous owner), an RS splitter, and Ohlins suspension. That's it. I actually like how the stock titanium exhaust looks and it keeps the noise to more than manageable. Yes it's not loud and angry and it mutes the engine, but not higher in the rev range. It's actually my quietest car. The bigger turbos are pretty loud, but in a good way and just simply hilarious. Two more pictures....and a link to a walk-around video: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...88d389feff.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...fed3d5c62d.jpg |
Originally Posted by mchrono
(Post 16555944)
... I would bypass the GT2RS units and go with these instead.
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Originally Posted by Steve Theodore
(Post 16558266)
Thank you for the feedback Marc. Honestly I've never heard of that company (do88) before, but have to assume they are quite reputable?
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...97-2-tt-3.html They are far superior to the stock GT2RS IC's. Not overkill in my book. The way I see it, bigger IC's not only give you more power, but also extend the engine's longevity and reliability by just keeping everything cooler. Especially with our cars which have the really small .1 stock IC's from the factory. I have the d088's on my car. Was convinced to get them after doing a little data acquisition with my Durameteric and seeing how nuts the IAT goes out of control hot at full boost and how long it takes to recover. Blue line =RPM, Orange = IAT: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...2b83e74ff9.jpg Very happy with do88. Good quality. Amazingly, only took 5 days to get to me from Sweden. You do have to trim the inside of your stock lower IC shroud a bit to install them, but if you are comfortable taking the rear bumper cover off, it's a pretty easy one person weekend DIY job to install them. Here is a shot of d088 vs stock in my garage. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...977a61860f.jpg If you are running just a tune and exhaust, expect roughly +30 hp with the IC's and maybe another 10 with the bigger y-pipe, give or take. |
Originally Posted by point2point
(Post 16549512)
I'm thinking about picking up something really special at the end of the year. Have been thinking about the 997 GT2, McLaren 675LT and Ferrari Challenge Stradale. All three are pretty rare and have similar worldwide production numbers.
The GT2 is a decently high performing car, but its performance is no longer stunning by current standards. Its appeal to me is as an icon for a golden era of Porsche. As a driving experience, I do prefer exercising naturally aspirated engines. I admit the GT2's draw for me is more ownership than driving. I wouldn't expect it to be as fun to drive as my 997.2 GT3 4.2. The 675LT is a performance monster. It also seems much more "exotic" than the GT2. The concern I have with McLaren from an ownership perspective is that they keep releasing new models on a very aggressive cadence. It's less of a factor with the 675LT, which has already taken a pretty massive depreciation hit. This one is quite tempting for me. The Challenge Stradale is currently at the top of my lust list. It sounds awesome. It's a very raw and visceral driving experience. I think it looks gorgeous. It's a Ferrari. Weaknesses? Not very quick compared to the other two or against modern performance cars. |
CS definitely has an atrocious gearbox until it gets some momentum going; then it’s a hoot. Getting moving or coming to a stop, make sure you take motion sickness tabs. Once it’s moving at a nice clip, it’s one of the most entertaining toys I’ve ever owned. It’s a highly flawed car but a highly emotional bucket-list drive also imo. And those things typically go hand in hand. CGT (p-car water holy grail) is full of flaws but prob the top emotional crescendo of any p-car made. CS isn’t as good of a car by a long shot but its design philosophy is definitely a no-apologies goose-bump filled experience. And it is a clumsy, graceless pig of a vehicle at slow speeds :). Every car guy should own or drive one in fury at least once. I was lucky enough to flog mine around SS a couple of times; it was a riot.
back OT: if you like turbos and you like 911’s, I think 997 gt2/gt2rs are the water-pumpers to own. The 2rs isn’t really about the additional punch/pull; it’s about the improved everything else imo. I’ve owned a 997-2rs and driven a 2. The ownership experience helped reconfirm I’m just not a turbo guy, BUT I can appreciate how incredible they are and would be my top suggestion for anyone wanting the pinnacle of water-pumping turbo 911 experience. |
I still lust after GT2 13 years later. Very special car and under rated because she's quiet.
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I'm fortunate to have a GT 2 that I've tracked a lot at Mosport and other tracks, and after a 2 year hiatus decided that sitting on the sidelines was not very fulfilling.
I picked up a Mclaren 12C and without any modifications I was about 2 seconds per lap faster at Mosport than my best time in the GT 2. Post track alignment CF seat and an exhaust, another second. These cars are astonishing! Last year I made the mistake of test driving the 675 LT, that car blew my mind!! Post test drive I could not formulate a sentence...... 12C is gone, GT2 and 675, doesn't get any better, IMHO. Just based on the power and weight differential I should be about 1 second faster at Mosport in the LT. For those that have driven Mosport, please see attached video in the 12C behind a Mercedes Race Car. 12C on Trofeo R's. Pictures: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#...8-6F4F7C9FFD0FVideo: Enjoy!
Originally Posted by point2point
(Post 16549512)
I'm thinking about picking up something really special at the end of the year. Have been thinking about the 997 GT2, McLaren 675LT and Ferrari Challenge Stradale. All three are pretty rare and have similar worldwide production numbers.
The GT2 is a decently high performing car, but its performance is no longer stunning by current standards. Its appeal to me is as an icon for a golden era of Porsche. As a driving experience, I do prefer exercising naturally aspirated engines. I admit the GT2's draw for me is more ownership than driving. I wouldn't expect it to be as fun to drive as my 997.2 GT3 4.2. The 675LT is a performance monster. It also seems much more "exotic" than the GT2. The concern I have with McLaren from an ownership perspective is that they keep releasing new models on a very aggressive cadence. It's less of a factor with the 675LT, which has already taken a pretty massive depreciation hit. This one is quite tempting for me. The Challenge Stradale is currently at the top of my lust list. It sounds awesome. It's a very raw and visceral driving experience. I think it looks gorgeous. It's a Ferrari. Weaknesses? Not very quick compared to the other two or against modern performance cars. |
Great stuff @TurboS , and that looks like a very fun track!
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Originally Posted by Steve Theodore
(Post 16565867)
Great stuff @TurboS , and that looks like a very fun track!
Mosport is probably my second favourite track, Mont Tremblant first, but I have been told by many Watkins Glen is theirs. The Glen was on the list this year unfortunately that may not happened as a result of this nightmare we are all living in. For those considering the 675 LT, for perspective its almost as fast as the 720S. At a prior event I was behind one at the exit of turn 5, In all my time at Mosport I have never seen a car pull away, it was as if I had a parachute deployed. Surreal! Looking forward to some semblance of normality! |
Those videos are amazing @TurboS , thanks for sharing them with us. That 720S did indeed run away and hide on the straight, and it makes me wonder what the Senna could do around the entire lap!
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I was recently re-reading an old Excellence magazine that tested the 7.1 GT2.
Some guy named johannes van overbeek said it was, "the best street car for the track that Porsche had ever made." JVB has some knowledge base to draw from. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...f7fd553692.png |
Originally Posted by cgfen
(Post 16568511)
I was recently re-reading an old Excellence magazine that tested the 7.1 GT2.
Some guy named johannes van overbeek said it was, "the best street car for the track that Porsche had ever made." JVB has some knowledge base to draw from. |
Yeah that looks like a good read. ^
Not hard to see how a GT2 would best a 997.1 GT3 RS on track. |
Originally Posted by Steve Theodore
(Post 16568570)
Oh my, I hope I can order that back issue! I never had that one and obviously need it. :)
Search for GT2, there are 2 or 3 you might want. have fun. |
I have been a GT2 owner since 2003 with the 996 and then the 997; so after ~18 yrs. of owning both of these keepers I think they are just awesome cars. I am satisfied!
There are many faster cars out there but they are either not manual transmission or look like bat mobile to me; sorry... Long Live the 996 & 997 GT cars. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...100938918d.jpg |
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