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Old 05-01-2020, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Protocav
63 offset is perfect, just remove the 5mm spacer from the hub. -3.4 sounds like way too much camber in the rear, and I don't think there's much benefit, unless you are running slicks. I'd put 1 full degree of positive camber back in. My tires wear perfectly even at -2.5.

Sounds like the front is ready for a big tire, but if you put a 275 on a 8.5" wheel, it will fit really bulgy and fit improperly. I'd put a 9 or 9.5 up there for the appropriate tire. That being said, I've been very happy with a 9" front, and I even run a huge front sway bar, softest rear bar setting and a squatted rear. Essentially, I'm searching for rear grip because I trail the car a lot, and on paper the car should push, but it doesn't.

Caster should be 7.5-8 regardless of ride height because it centers the wheel nicely, but over 8 almost guarantees that it's going to rub in the front.

I don't know what my official frame-measured ride heights are, but the ground to fender arch center measurements are 25.5" in the front and 25.75" in the rear. This equates to very little rake (probably 10-15mm), as I felt rake only contributed to the rear end coming around.
I'm running Pirelli DH but I can back off rear camber, I just did it to not have too big of a split between F and R. I need to find some front 9 or 9.5" wheels, when I ditched my CCW's and got the OZ's I didn't realize the fronts were only 8.5 and I was running 235 or 245 so I didn't really care. I just checked and it seems all the OZ porsche wheels are only 8.5 not available in 9"

I'll back my caster down to 8 as well, remind me when reducing caster how does that change the other alignment settings like toe or camber (if any)?
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
I'm running Pirelli DH but I can back off rear camber, I just did it to not have too big of a split between F and R. I need to find some front 9 or 9.5" wheels, when I ditched my CCW's and got the OZ's I didn't realize the fronts were only 8.5 and I was running 235 or 245 so I didn't really care. I just checked and it seems all the OZ porsche wheels are only 8.5 not available in 9"

I'll back my caster down to 8 as well, remind me when reducing caster how does that change the other alignment settings like toe or camber (if any)?
Oh I didn't realize you were running slicks on the car. Still seems like a lot of camber, but I have no experience with the wear characteristics of slicks on this car. When changing the caster, the camber will be affected slightly, but the toe will be affected more.
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Holy crap 1.5 seconds faster? I think I'm going to have to do some experimenting soon. Problem is not sure if there's a common Pirelli DH in 275/335
In as Pirelli DH, I run a 275/645-18 and 315/680-18, standard 7.2Cup tires. In the NT01, I have switched to a 275/35/18 and 325/30/19. This gives me almost the same diameters as the DH.








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Originally Posted by powdrhound
In as Pirelli DH, I run a 275/645-18 and 315/680-18, standard 7.2Cup tires. In the NT01, I have switched to a 275/35/18 and 325/30/19. This gives me almost the same diameters as the DH.
I run the 315/680/18 paired with a 235/245 and it's not bad, with the 305 the rear is a little looser than I like. How is the balance with the 275/645 and 315/680 DH? Does it have too much oversteer? I already have my front bar at full stiff and my rear bar 2nd hole from full soft. I'd be worried that adding that much more front grip without a 325 or wider would upset the balance.
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
I run the 315/680/18 paired with a 235/245 and it's not bad, with the 305 the rear is a little looser than I like. How is the balance with the 275/645 and 315/680 DH? Does it have too much oversteer? I already have my front bar at full stiff and my rear bar 2nd hole from full soft. I'd be worried that adding that much more front grip without a 325 or wider would upset the balance.
Since the 275/315 DH are 7.2 spec tires, it's set up per the 7.2Cup manual but with a bit more camber both front and rear, -4.1/-3.5. The tall 27" diameter of the 315/680 give is a large contact patch and it pairs perfect with the 275. My car is a 996 but suspension is essentially 997Cup but with lower roll centers. Suspension set up naturally depends on many variables to get you to your end goals. I'm on 1700/1800 lb spring with the front bar is middle on a 5-way and rear is one from full soft on a 4-way. Balance is neutral with a touch of understeer on entry. Car is very easy to drive

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Old 05-01-2020, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
Since those are 7.2 spec tires, it's set up per the 7.2Cup manual but with a bit more camber both front and rear, -4.1/-3.5. Car is a 996 but suspension is essentially 997Cup but with lower roll centers. Suspension set up naturally depends on many variables to get you to your end goals. I'm on 1700/1800 lb springs but will be stiffening the front another 100lbs and rear another 200 lbs. Front bar is middle on a 5-way and rear is one from full soft on a 4-way. Balance is neutral with a touch of understeer on entry. The extra 100lbs of front/rear spring split should dial that out. Here is a video to give you an idea of the balance. Car is very easy to drive..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx2xbkR7VLQ
Thanks for sharing, our setups are apples and oranges. I'm on a completely stock 997.1 GT3 suspension. I'll report back once I find some 9" front wheels and try the 275/315 setup or maybe 325 if it fits.
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Thanks for sharing, our setups are apples and oranges. I'm on a completely stock 997.1 GT3 suspension. I'll report back once I find some 9" front wheels and try the 275/315 setup or maybe 325 if it fits.
275 on a 9" wheel will not work, The tire will be way pinched and roll over. It will perform far worse than a 235 or 245 on a 9. In order to get the benefit of the wider set up, you have to do it right. For a 275, 10" wheel is key, a 9.5 at a very minimum.
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
275 on a 9" wheel will not work, The tire will be way pinched and roll over. It will perform far worse than a 235 or 245 on a 9. In order to get the benefit of the wider set up, you have to do it right. For a 275, 10" wheel is key, a 9.5 at a very minimum.
I can't even find a 9.5" front GT3 wheel, which wheel do you use?
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
I can't even find a 9.5" front GT3 wheel, which wheel do you use?
BBS E88 18x10 fronts. You can build the E88 as a 9.5 but if you're gonna do that you might as well do the 10.
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
BBS E88 18x10 fronts. You can build the E88 as a 9.5 but if you're gonna do that you might as well do the 10.
Big $ any other alternatives? I'm accustomed to 2k a set OZ's lol
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Big $ any other alternatives? I'm accustomed to 2k a set OZ's lol
Unfortunately not that I'm aware of..
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
Unfortunately not that I'm aware of..
Looks like Apex has a SM10 that's pretty cheap in 18x9 and 18x12.

The 18x12 rear is 65 offset which with the factory 5mm spacer is 60 which is perfect. The front is 46 offset, is that too low?
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Looks like Apex has a SM10 that's pretty cheap in 18x9 and 18x12.

The 18x12 rear is 65 offset which with the factory 5mm spacer is 60 which is perfect. The front is 46 offset, is that too low?
18x9x12. What size and brand tires are you looking to run?
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
18x9x12. What size and brand tires are you looking to run?
Ideally the largest Pirelli DH's I can fit. Maybe 265/645/18 front and 315 or 325 680 18 rear

I usually run 245/645/18 front and 315/680/18 rear but want to maximize grip if I can fit larger tires. Problem is only have 8.5" front wheels now.
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So is the verdict here that 18" is better than 19"?

Is it NOT recommended to go NT01 on 19" stock wheels?

Is it a BAD idea to run 235/35/19 & 305/30/19 NT01?

If on Stock 19" wheels, what's the best tire option for mainly street and a maybe 4 track days/yr?


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