997 to 991?
11-26-2019, 02:47 PM
#16
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thanks for your thoughts & insight montoya. Your last few sentences kinda reminds me of why we kept our 964 Turbo (once we bought the 997.2 GT3). 20 yrs between those 2 cars.
My biggest takeaway {from your comments,... even though I'm not a track guy} is to resist the temptation on the 991.1 (when that time comes, which for me will be in about 5-7 yrs).
I have enjoyed a solid 15+ yr differential between the cars I've owned in the past,... but the pace of new tech developments has me thinking the next gen GT3 I buy will probably be more like 10 yrs difference (eg. buy a 991.2 in the year 2025). Yes I have patience. I dance with my partners for decades before getting the itch to move fwd {not applicable to my 30 yr marriage
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My biggest takeaway {from your comments,... even though I'm not a track guy} is to resist the temptation on the 991.1 (when that time comes, which for me will be in about 5-7 yrs).
I have enjoyed a solid 15+ yr differential between the cars I've owned in the past,... but the pace of new tech developments has me thinking the next gen GT3 I buy will probably be more like 10 yrs difference (eg. buy a 991.2 in the year 2025). Yes I have patience. I dance with my partners for decades before getting the itch to move fwd {not applicable to my 30 yr marriage
}.=S
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montoya (11-27-2019)
11-26-2019, 06:19 PM
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Keep the 997 GT3
997 will always be rawer, more connected and a riot to drive, but only for the purpose of driving. 991.2 GT3 will give you some of that but the usability is way more. 991.1 GT3 didn't have enough R&D to be a keeper in my opinion, all of the power is up top where the 997s has a big mid range punch (991.2 went back to the power band of 997), engine issues and the PDK isn't engaging enough (If there is no engine sound I can't tell if the tranny actually shifted). It all depends how you are using the car.
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AGO (12-10-2019)
11-30-2019, 07:24 PM
#18
and lets not forget what a pain in the rear it is to maintain a 991 vs a 997. Looks like I recently shut down a thread in the 991 forum with this post:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post16238559
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post16238559
11-30-2019, 07:50 PM
#19
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991 - better performance and utility
997 - better driver feel/feedback
if pure toy, my pick is the 997. If you want it to act like a car also, 991. 991 beats 997 in every category except driver feedback/feel (and looks imo, but that’s totally subjective). You can tell they are related, but still much different feeling cars.
997 - better driver feel/feedback
if pure toy, my pick is the 997. If you want it to act like a car also, 991. 991 beats 997 in every category except driver feedback/feel (and looks imo, but that’s totally subjective). You can tell they are related, but still much different feeling cars.
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Mr. Adair (11-30-2019)
12-01-2019, 07:19 PM
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I'd say the 991+ generation is worthy of consideration if your primary use case changes (getting older, need to drive in traffic more regularly, or ultimate lap times matter most). For everyone that wants to enjoy the real passion and emotion behind the wheel...the 997 is a far better car. So, if the process of driving and being in the moment is the highlight of the driving experience for you, stick with the 997. I won't sell either of my 997s until I can no longer comfortably operate their clutches, and maybe a bit longer than that. 
If this sounds like I'm a bit of a purist, you're absolutely right too...meaning no apologies for that. I'm very happy with the 997 generation of Porsche as a terrific mix of old and new...sweet spot is just my style.
If this sounds like I'm a bit of a purist, you're absolutely right too...meaning no apologies for that. I'm very happy with the 997 generation of Porsche as a terrific mix of old and new...sweet spot is just my style.
12-02-2019, 12:40 PM
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If this is who I think it is, you're welcome to come to Austin and drive my 991 anytime at COTA or around town if that helps! If I didn't have the track sorted e46 m3 manual to drive, I probably would have gone for a 997.2 RS.
12-02-2019, 03:33 PM
#22
991 will be faster on track, 997 will give you bigger smiles. What's more important to you?
12-07-2019, 11:41 AM
#23
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Agreed 100%.
The 997's are very special, and smaller and much more "analog". I've owned 4 modern, post-2011 Porsches (2 Macans, a 2014 Cayman and now my 2019 CT) and albeit none have been GT cars I've tired of the modern conveniences and the slightly disconnected feeling of the drive. I even went and checked out a lightly used 2018 GT3 Touring but was put off by the sheer size of it. Is it not on paper a way better car than a 997 GT car? Well heck yes, and it has Apple CarPlay! But... And not to say they are not great cars, but for me, I'm not looking at GT3 RS's again. My heart skips a beat when I see them! There's something about them that is "just right".
Yep. Looking at heading in the same direction. I thought I wanted to drive the 991.2 daily but I just don't. So why not pick up a smaller, more classic, 997.2 RS for those spirited rips up the local hills...
You will love the crazy PDK punch that will throw you back into your seat from 5-9K. Nothing like it. Another benefit is the cruising factor, leave it in Auto and cruise around town to get a coffee etc. It's not much different than driving a standard Carrera. Comfy and easy until you want the beast mode, it's a compelling package. I have had them both. At the end of the day I sold my 991.1 GT3 to get my 997.2 RS. Why? all of the things you stated already and it's simply more special. If I could own both I would. But that's not in the cards. They are VERY different cars. Make sure to spend a few hours in the 991 before making any decisions! Good luck.
I bought a brand new 991.2 manual gts. Dumped 30k into mods. Sold it 6 months later. Bought a 997.1 gt3 with a sharkwerks 3.9 stroker. I'm wayyyy happier. If you want the fastest car or somewhat a DD get a 991 gts, turbo, or gt3. If you want fun factor and driving engagement get a 997 gt3. Just my $.02
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Steve Theodore (12-07-2019)
12-15-2019, 09:26 PM
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Funny thing just earlier today at lunch COTA came into the conversation so I brought up how I went and fubar'd my M3 lol but every one I met was so nice and helpful. Been quite a while, hope to go back someday. Thanks man!
12-15-2019, 10:09 PM
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I'd say the 991+ generation is worthy of consideration if your primary use case changes (getting older, need to drive in traffic more regularly, or ultimate lap times matter most). For everyone that wants to enjoy the real passion and emotion behind the wheel...the 997 is a far better car. So, if the process of driving and being in the moment is the highlight of the driving experience for you, stick with the 997. I won't sell either of my 997s until I can no longer comfortably operate their clutches, and maybe a bit longer than that.
If this sounds like I'm a bit of a purist, you're absolutely right too...meaning no apologies for that. I'm very happy with the 997 generation of Porsche as a terrific mix of old and new...sweet spot is just my style.
If this sounds like I'm a bit of a purist, you're absolutely right too...meaning no apologies for that. I'm very happy with the 997 generation of Porsche as a terrific mix of old and new...sweet spot is just my style.
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Steve Theodore (12-15-2019)
12-24-2019, 06:50 PM
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My experience of having a 991.1 out at PECATL for 90 minutes a few years ago.
1) the PDK was underwhelming. Everyone raves about how good it is, yes it’s quick but there is no substitute for manual so even the rawest, quickest PDK is not a drop in the ocean
2) the engine sounded too synthetic
3) steering feel was very good - nice weight and very direct, very close to hydraulic in previous gen cars
4) chassis excellent but RWS ruins it for me - overly agile and whilst felt somewhat playful, you know it’s put on.
5) it just felt so bloody big
My conclusion at the time was I just wanted to go drive my then 996 GT3 (which is a lot closer to your 997 than a 991 is). I could see the appeal of a 991 as a daily driver in addition to a 997 for the weekend, but as an everything car I think you’d be giving up a lot and for me that would lead to eventual boredom.
1) the PDK was underwhelming. Everyone raves about how good it is, yes it’s quick but there is no substitute for manual so even the rawest, quickest PDK is not a drop in the ocean
2) the engine sounded too synthetic
3) steering feel was very good - nice weight and very direct, very close to hydraulic in previous gen cars
4) chassis excellent but RWS ruins it for me - overly agile and whilst felt somewhat playful, you know it’s put on.
5) it just felt so bloody big
My conclusion at the time was I just wanted to go drive my then 996 GT3 (which is a lot closer to your 997 than a 991 is). I could see the appeal of a 991 as a daily driver in addition to a 997 for the weekend, but as an everything car I think you’d be giving up a lot and for me that would lead to eventual boredom.