Cost of engine rebuild
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so, what's the deal here. Did you just buy this car and the ppi failed to reveal this issue? Did they do a bore scope? Some don't do it as a standard ppi and you have to pay extra for it.
If if that's the case, man I feel for you. What a terrible
situation. It would be super shady for the previous owner to pull this. I doubt you have much recourse, but it's very unfortunate.
Id call RND if your just looking for another engine with the upgraded nickie cylinders. Or you could ship it to Hartech and I think you could get it done for about 8k. But you have to pull the engine and ship it and then have someone put it back together. My info said about 3k for that. Plus shipping.
so, what's the deal here. Did you just buy this car and the ppi failed to reveal this issue? Did they do a bore scope? Some don't do it as a standard ppi and you have to pay extra for it.
If if that's the case, man I feel for you. What a terrible
situation. It would be super shady for the previous owner to pull this. I doubt you have much recourse, but it's very unfortunate.
Id call RND if your just looking for another engine with the upgraded nickie cylinders. Or you could ship it to Hartech and I think you could get it done for about 8k. But you have to pull the engine and ship it and then have someone put it back together. My info said about 3k for that. Plus shipping.
The reason I am asking is to see if I can do engine rebuild and keep cost below 10k then I would still keep the car. I bought it for cheaper than market value (~24k) I thought if I can spend another 10k then it wouldn't be too bad. However, after seeing 15k to 20k estimates from some of the guys, I think it is smart decision to return it to seller and let him handle it by himself and look for another 911
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Well, good on him for being a stand up guy. And lucky you for dodging a bullet. Next time, get a bore scope and compression check. Probably cost you a few hundred dollars but now you see the downside of not.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Next 911 is going to be a 997.2 or 997.1 turbo ... no more 997.1 C2/S
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The .2 cars have the same scoring issue from what I've read. Turbos have other issues.
Just dontour our research and have a proper ppi done and enjoy.
My .1 car has 85k on it and still runs like a champ. I burn a tad more oil than it used to and it has some rattles but it looks and drives great.
Best of of luck to you.
Mark
Just dontour our research and have a proper ppi done and enjoy.
My .1 car has 85k on it and still runs like a champ. I burn a tad more oil than it used to and it has some rattles but it looks and drives great.
Best of of luck to you.
Mark
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The .2 cars have the same scoring issue from what I've read. Turbos have other issues.
Just dontour our research and have a proper ppi done and enjoy.
My .1 car has 85k on it and still runs like a champ. I burn a tad more oil than it used to and it has some rattles but it looks and drives great.
Best of of luck to you.
Mark
Just dontour our research and have a proper ppi done and enjoy.
My .1 car has 85k on it and still runs like a champ. I burn a tad more oil than it used to and it has some rattles but it looks and drives great.
Best of of luck to you.
Mark
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I think that all depends on how bad it is. You do however run the risk of the scoring damaging the piston and then the car grenades. Then you are at a total loss and don't have a usable core or parts to use in your rebuild.
So, not worth the risk.
So, not worth the risk.
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I purchased my 06 C2S nearly two years ago with 86K miles. I now have 96K. She/he/it runs great and uses less than a quart of oil in 4K miles. Very occasional smoke at cold start up. The transmission was replaced under CPO two owners ago, during which time that owner opted to pay for a new clutch.
Of course, despite laws of probability, I have intermittent waves of IMS anxiety. In speaking with my Indy (Goldcrest Motorsports in Kennesaw, GA), I'm thinking having them do a dedicated oil line to the IMS. This requires dropping the engine, so it would make sense to replace the clutch. Anything else while they are in there? Good or bad thinking?
I have found Goldcrest to be the most competent and honest business I have ever worked with, so I have full confidence in them. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I would rather pay 4-5K now than the possibility of 20K down the road.
Larry
Of course, despite laws of probability, I have intermittent waves of IMS anxiety. In speaking with my Indy (Goldcrest Motorsports in Kennesaw, GA), I'm thinking having them do a dedicated oil line to the IMS. This requires dropping the engine, so it would make sense to replace the clutch. Anything else while they are in there? Good or bad thinking?
I have found Goldcrest to be the most competent and honest business I have ever worked with, so I have full confidence in them. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I would rather pay 4-5K now than the possibility of 20K down the road.
Larry
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Get an agreement from the tech that you will only replace if X% is left.... He/she must be able to get parts fast or restock. If there is a dealer close by, they can usually get the parts right away or overnight. Do the math given your mileage and you can roughly figure out how long it will last. I don't like replacing things "while I am in there" unless my paranoia gets the best of me.
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Thanks, Bruce. I trust this shop. The clutch now has about 60K on it. I'm not a clutch killer and hope the car is a keeper. I hope to report having 197K someday.
Peace to you, as well
Larry
Peace to you, as well
Larry
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I purchased my 06 C2S nearly two years ago with 86K miles. I now have 96K....transmission was replaced under CPO two owners ago, during which time that owner opted to pay for a new clutch.
.... thinking having them do a dedicated oil line to the IMS. This requires dropping the engine, so it would make sense to replace the clutch. Anything else while they are in there?
.... thinking having them do a dedicated oil line to the IMS. This requires dropping the engine, so it would make sense to replace the clutch. Anything else while they are in there?
What do you mean by "dedicated oil line"? The aftermarket D.O.F. kit, or does the shop have their own in-house jerry rig? Because for the D.O.F the engine does not need to come down, just the transmission.
IMO the most I might do on an '06 would be pull the seal off the bearing. Its larger diameter (than the earlier single-row) submerges it even deeper in oil whenever the car is idling, and there is more surface area to get splashed while driven, plus it has almost twice the load bearing capacity as the earlier single-row.
As for other things to do while the trans is down, I would look at the fork, and probably at that mileage think about a new DM flywheel (I think the recommended factory interval is 70K) unless it was replaced when they did the trans and clutch.
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What expertise I have is in Psychology; not engineering or finance. It's hard to know how much of these sorts of problems belong to which domain. On the other hand, any clergy want to weigh in? Prayer, Karma, or other variables as either causal or mitigating factors?
Larry
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What expertise I have is in Psychology; not engineering or finance. It's hard to know how much of these sorts of problems belong to which domain. On the other hand, any clergy want to weigh in? Prayer, Karma, or other variables as either causal or mitigating factors?
Larry
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Originally Posted by apperception
I purchased my 06 C2S nearly two years ago with 86K miles. I now have 96K. She/he/it runs great and uses less than a quart of oil in 4K miles. Very occasional smoke at cold start up. The transmission was replaced under CPO two owners ago, during which time that owner opted to pay for a new clutch.
Of course, despite laws of probability, I have intermittent waves of IMS anxiety.
Of course, despite laws of probability, I have intermittent waves of IMS anxiety.
For the IMS - do nothing. It's an 06 with the bearing that does not fail*
*ok, I know a few have failed but not enough to really make a big deal about. If you want to worry about something then worry about bite scoring. Or hitting a deer. Or getting run over by a bus. Or getting struck by lightning.