Notices
997 Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:
View Poll Results: Has your PDK gearbox needed replacement? Please don't answer if your car is a manual.
Yes
21
11.60%
No
160
88.40%
Voters: 181. You may not vote on this poll

Is PDK the new IMS?

 
Old 05-23-2017, 02:35 PM
  #1  
Falcondrivr
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
Falcondrivr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 3,830
Default Is PDK the new IMS?

Not trying to start arguments about which is better to drive or faster around the track. I'm just looking for info on PDK failures. I personally know of 6 just in my small circle of friends.
Falcondrivr is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 02:48 PM
  #2  
ADias
Super User
 
ADias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 7,343
Default

Probably one of the most reliable system components in a modern Porsche. More money shifts occurred than PDK failures (during any contemporary period of PDK cars and manual cars) - reason PCNA stopped bringing manual cars to Porsche Experience events due to destroyed clutches and worse.
ADias is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 04:33 PM
  #3  
Astur
User
 
Astur's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: San Juan, PR
Posts: 352
Default

Just had mine replaced on my 2009 C2 with just 21,200 miles on the odometer.

Bummer!!!


PS: Now you know the real reason why the cat in my avatar is pissed off!!!
Astur is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 04:42 PM
  #4  
swftiii
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
swftiii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Parkland, FL
Posts: 1,954
Default

Have been going back and forth on PDK or Manual when I move into a 997 soon, so would also like to understand what the failure was and how it happened.

Thanks,
-Skip
swftiii is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 06:02 PM
  #5  
wjk_glynn
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
wjk_glynn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 1,876
Default

One difference between an IMS failure and a PDK failure is the repair cost.

While the list price of a new replacement PDK is ~$20K, per Cloudspin remanufactured units from PCNA (with warranty) can be found for ~$7K (see his comments here and here).

Out of curiosity I called Suncoast and for a 2010 Carrera S PDK (no LSD), they said $8,500 + shipping.

And there'd be a core charge of $5,800.

Not quite as cheap as what Cloudspin found, but I didn't spend anytime hunting down a better price.

So it's still a very expensive repair, but it's not as bad as an engine replacement due to IMS failure.

Karl.
wjk_glynn is online now  
Old 05-23-2017, 06:23 PM
  #6  
D1coach
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 301
Default

A financially reasonable option is to pick up a Fidelity warranty covering drivetrain only and forget about it. I bought a policy through Michael Jourdan (504-352-8796) for $2300 for my 2009 C2S with 44,000 miles. Covers five years/60,000 additional miles.

Last edited by D1coach; 05-23-2017 at 06:59 PM.
D1coach is online now  
Old 05-23-2017, 06:48 PM
  #7  
Falcondrivr
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
Falcondrivr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 3,830
Default

As a side note, most of the failures I've heard of have had good luck getting Porsche to contribute to replacement cost.
Falcondrivr is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 06:53 PM
  #8  
myw
Super User
 
myw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: richmond hill
Posts: 3,998
Default

WOW - there are also rare cases where it happens to 991's as well.

Originally Posted by Astur View Post
Just had mine replaced on my 2009 C2 with just 21,200 miles on the odometer.

PS: Now you know the real reason why the cat in my avatar is pissed off!!!

wtf? under what circumstances did these pdk's fail?

Originally Posted by Falcondrivr View Post
I personally know of 6 just in my small circle of friends.
myw is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 06:57 PM
  #9  
Falcondrivr
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
Falcondrivr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 3,830
Default

Originally Posted by myw View Post
WOW - there are also rare cases where it happens to 991's as well.




wtf? under what circumstances did these pdk's fail?
All of my friends failures are cars that are meticulously maintained and used as daily drivers AND do a few DE events a year. Only one failure occurred on the track (2010 C2S) last weekend. The others all occurred while driving on the street at normal speeds. 3 on Cayman Rs (2 of them on the same car) another on a Cayman S, and another C2S.
I posted the thread because I have been considering a PDK car. But when I googled "PDK gearbox failure" literally dozens of threads on multiple forums came up.
Falcondrivr is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 09:34 PM
  #10  
Fined
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Fined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: DŘsseldorf
Posts: 1,250
Default

when I googled "PDK failure" I got 1 page of results. When I went to the 2nd page.. the results weren't in relation to the gearbox (or cars at all). 1 page of relevant results. When I googled "IMS failure".. the first 7 solid pages of results were relevant. It was on the 8th page that results weren't related to cars.

completely unscientific, but a result, nevertheless.

I went with a PDK, but avoided cars which would've had potential for an IMS issue. Choose your battles I guess. Somebody made a post on here in the last week about just having purchased an 6MT and it needing to have a new clutch almost immediately. Any way you slice it, you got potential for multiple $$$ repairs.
Fined is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 09:47 PM
  #11  
F308gt4
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
F308gt4's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: SoCal
Posts: 458
Default

Originally Posted by Fined View Post
Any way you slice it, you got potential for multiple $$$ repairs.
Yep. It's a Porsche, not a Toyota.

Be prepared for potential major expenses, and be happy if they never happen.

I keep my fingers crossed all the time that my PDK is OK. I did the 6 year PDK service at the Porsche dealer, so hopefully I'll be good to go and without any PDK issues for a long time. If it does happen, I will have to deal with it. But, I went into the buying experience knowing this could be a potential issue.
F308gt4 is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 09:55 PM
  #12  
Robocop305
User
 
Robocop305's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 1,143
Default

PDK failures are almost non-existant compared to the volume of PDK transmissions out there. Out of the minuscule amount of failure most have been attribute to electronic malfunction. At first I had a few issues with the PDK transmission failure appearing once every blue moon on my dash until I changed the battery, and problem solved. Battery has a big influence on badly diagnosed issues with our cars.
Robocop305 is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 09:59 PM
  #13  
996AE
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
996AE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 3,329
Default

Originally Posted by Falcondrivr View Post
All of my friends failures are cars that are meticulously maintained and used as daily drivers AND do a few DE events a year. Only one failure occurred on the track (2010 C2S) last weekend. The others all occurred while driving on the street at normal speeds. 3 on Cayman Rs (2 of them on the same car) another on a Cayman S, and another C2S.
I posted the thread because I have been considering a PDK car. But when I googled "PDK gearbox failure" literally dozens of threads on multiple forums came up.
Please provide names of your "friends" that experienced PDK failures. Or, maybe post a link to one or two of the "dozens" of threads you claim.

I am sure I am not the only one that would like to know more about your claim.
996AE is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 10:06 PM
  #14  
Mumbles
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Mumbles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,448
Default

Battery has a big influence on badly diagnosed issues with our cars.

Makes you wonder ......?
Mumbles is offline  
Old 05-23-2017, 10:28 PM
  #15  
Robocop305
User
 
Robocop305's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 1,143
Default

Yes, I kept getting that RED warning sign that says Emergency Transmission Run, please take you car to service ASAP. Also, my car wouldn't drive once the emergency sign appeared. I would reset it by turning the car off and on. I was getting that message almost every 3 weeks, specially after it sat for a while. I took it to the dealer and they couldn't duplicate the issues. They did noticed the codes and told me that the PDK would probably needed to be replaced. I went ahead and install a Walmart battery and the problem went away. This happened almost 10,000 miles ago.
Robocop305 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Is PDK the new IMS?


Contact Us - About Us - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: