Bruce In Philly

2009 C2S MT 113K miles

I just weighed my car... wait for it...... 3,280 LBS.

Manual denotes for MT Coupe S:

Empty Weight depending on equipment: 3,142 LBS to 3,351 LBS

What I had in my car:

- 50 LBS of gas (1/2 tank gas = 1/2 16.9 Gal * 6 lbs gal)
- 10 LBS of crap est. (Jumper cables, Smitty plug kit, tire gauge, Durametric cable, neck pillow, 2 towels, bug spray, sunglasses, 4 rogue M&Ms, 27 Doritos pieces, 1 sneeze)
- Sharkwerks bypass.... I guess that reduces by what, 20lbs?

I don't know what the 80 LBS of optional equipment is .... I would have to look at an order guide... but it would be (I guess) Navigation, seats and the like.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

lowbee

sounds like something fun to do. How did you weight it ? Do you just drive on to one of those weight station for transport truck ?

wjk_glynn

What was the accuracy and tolerance of the scales?

+/- 1% is more than a 60 lb range...

Karl.

scorcherjf

Well you certainly won't be able to get to the 3142lbs lower limit since even a no-option car in North America comes with a sunroof which adds quite a bit of weight at the top of the car. Only euro cars could have a sunroof delete with the 997's, kinda sucks.

For other weight adders... electric seats, bose speakers, dynamic cornering lights all add up. Just the sunroof, seats, and bose could easily make your 80lbs.

I weighed my 6MT GTS at over 3300 lbs with half a tank of gas... these cars are a lot heavier than you would think!

wjk_glynn

Just realized that when Car and Driver tested a '09 C2S 6MT, they measured 3,279 lbs...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test

It had PDL, Bose and 14-way seats.

Basically the same as what you measured for your car.

Porsche's 'official' weights for 6MT 997.2 models are:

• C2 Coupe - 3,120 lbs (DIN) / 3,285 lbs (EC)
• C2 Cabriolet - 3,307 lbs (DIN) / 3,472 lbs (EC)
• C2S Coupe - 3,142 lbs (DIN) / 3,307 lbs (EC)
• C2S Cabriolet - 3,329 lbs (DIN) / 3,495 lbs (EC)
• C4 Coupe - 3,241 lbs (DIN) / 3,406 lbs (EC)
• C4 Cabriolet - 3,428 lbs (DIN) / 3,594 lbs (EC)
• C4S Coupe - 3,263 lbs (DIN) / 3,428 lbs (EC)
• C4S Cabriolet - 3,450 lbs (DIN) / 3,616 lbs (EC)
• Targa 4 - 3,373 lbs (DIN) / 3,539 lbs (EC)
• Targa 4S - 3,395 lbs (DIN) / 3,561 lbs (EC)

The delta between DIN and EC is the addition of a 75 kg driver.

Seems that:

• AWD/WB adds 121 lbs over the corresponding 2WD/NB version
• Cabriolet adds 187-188 lbs as compared to it's coupe version

Not listed above is PDK, but it adds 66 lbs.

I'd guess ~3,350 lbs for my C2S w/PDK & 18-way sports seats per Bruce's and C&D's numbers...

Karl.

SpeedyD

Another positive mark for Porsche... If Ferrari claimed a weight of 3,100 to 3,300 you can be damned sure they were weighing the car without window glass, seats, tires, wheels, brakes and engine... and the onroad weight would be nearer 4,000 lbs with those "options" added back in.

Bruce In Philly

How to get your car weighed...... I went down to our township dump. They have two big scales... I just drove down and parked right on top of one.... walked over to the window and asked the guy what it read.

I have no idea what the accuracy of the scale was.

FYI, my 2000 Boxster S is spec'd to weigh 2,855..... wow. That was a light car... no wonder I loved the handling...... low weight, mid engine, and a perfectly tuned spring/shock system.

Our 911s are porkers... no reason for it other than Porsche doesn't care and wants to cater to the higher volume poser market.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

Alexandrius

911s are light when you compare them to their competitors. It's a GT car that is as close to a sports car as you can get.

ADias

You forgot the worst offender... the ever imposing governmental agencies.

Bruce In Philly

An interesting read by Lotus... see page 5

https://www.lbcg.com/media/downloads...ering.8223.pdf

Page 5 points:

Total Vehicle Objectives
• Improved fuel economy & reduced CO 2 emissions
• Enhanced occupant safety
• Improved dynamic performance
• Ride
• Braking
• Handling
• Acceleration
• Towing
• Aerodynamics

Create compelling, competitive advantages
apparent to customers

Other slides show the big gorilla of government..... and it is driving weight savings, smaller engines, and an apparent contradictory set of goals.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

dasams

Bruce: You're posts make a lot of sense but this one not so much. Dave

KNS

I'd say he's mostly right. Porsche probably doesn't want to make land yachts (it goes against the essence of a "sports" car and they know this). However, the Porsche buying masses, the ones not buying GT3s, want all the creature comforts and niceties like the Lexus and Benz they're cross shopping.

So they really care about capturing more of those sales and that means a fat, heavy car. They do a fairly good job of it in this day and age, although I have zero interest in a 991. For me personally, way past why I fell in love with Porsches.

I miss the days when all they made was sports cars...

Bruce In Philly

Fair.... it is just my opinion.

I am always annoyed when I open and close my door.... it is huge, fat, and heavy... no reason for this other than what GM learned a long time ago: You pay a lot of money, you want a big, heavy, solid door. Marketers learned this a long long time ago.

For a "true" sports car, I drove a Lotus Elise... wow... light.... fun... yeeha!!! But the masses are not going to pay big bucks for a tuna can. As Henry Ford the XXX? once said to Iaccoca: "mini cars equal mini bucks." If you are going to charge a ton, you have provide your customer with something substantial.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

alexisthemovie

You can strip your car out or go with lightweight panels if you want to shed weight. I like how quiet and solid feeling my car is. I think of the 997S as a GT car. They sell the GT3 and Cayman range if you want a true "un-compromised" sports car.

I drive my S2000 when I want a sports car experience. It's faster than a GT3 around a track and doesn't feel like a tuna can.

Alexandrius

i like the s2000 I just can't actually fit inside them lol