What do you expect for $100K?
08-26-2016, 05:46 PM
#91
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And just to keep things in perspective, with a ~2.3218 average rate of inflation between 1996 and 2015, that would be $162,142.39 in today's dollars - which is probably still a bargain for a 993TT (especially if you could put a value on how much you've enjoyed it over the past 20 years)!!! 
08-26-2016, 05:57 PM
#92
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
If you go from one extreme to another, sure, you can make the car a different experience. Point is those options build upon what is an excellent chassis and motor, not the other way around.
To OPs point for $100k and the margins Porsche gets on these cars I'd better get warm cookies in the service waiting room. Enough of this yesterday's donuts business.
08-26-2016, 08:26 PM
#95
How much of this is affected by the rise of leasing? Consider how many cars are sold under promotion-based leases to lower the monthly cost for the buyer. That $120k car is now only $1500/month for a lease, which, if you had financed a car for 60 months, would only buy you ~$85k worth of car.
Porsche comes up with some $999/month lease promotion for unsold 911s every year. Well, now. I can afford $999/month, people say. The MSRP, to some degree, becomes irrelevant.
I paid more to lease my Spyder for less time. 24 months and costs $1700/month but I pay $1900 just because. For that money, I could have leased a well-equipped 911. But I don't view myself as the type that buys $140k cars. Yet I pay an amount commensurate with the cost of a lease for such a car.
The point is... Leases change the game and who can play. It makes buying a $100k car quite different than writing a check for $100K
Porsche comes up with some $999/month lease promotion for unsold 911s every year. Well, now. I can afford $999/month, people say. The MSRP, to some degree, becomes irrelevant.
I paid more to lease my Spyder for less time. 24 months and costs $1700/month but I pay $1900 just because. For that money, I could have leased a well-equipped 911. But I don't view myself as the type that buys $140k cars. Yet I pay an amount commensurate with the cost of a lease for such a car.
The point is... Leases change the game and who can play. It makes buying a $100k car quite different than writing a check for $100K
08-26-2016, 11:08 PM
#96
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Right, so there are definitely options that impact the driving experience greatly, such as PCCBs, LWBs, or the X51 stuff.
Para stated that 911s are all about options. To me, it appeared that he was more concerned about whether the vents are leather wrapped than the actual experience of the chassis, engine, etc. Given his background, I believe this may have simply been a wording deficiency.
I think that most would agree that a base 997, with nary an additional option, is still a very enjoyable car to drive. Adding options that are valued to you makes it more enjoyable, but I'd say not transformative.
Para stated that 911s are all about options. To me, it appeared that he was more concerned about whether the vents are leather wrapped than the actual experience of the chassis, engine, etc. Given his background, I believe this may have simply been a wording deficiency.
I think that most would agree that a base 997, with nary an additional option, is still a very enjoyable car to drive. Adding options that are valued to you makes it more enjoyable, but I'd say not transformative.
08-26-2016, 11:15 PM
#97
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Originally Posted by ATSR
In my case it was actually the opposite. I wanted a late production 997.2 with as little options as possible. I wanted standard manual seats, no navigation, no PASM, no sport chrono, no full leather, no PDK, no multifunction steering wheel, no dymanic lights, and if possible sunroof delete as well.
The only thing from the list above that my car doesn't have is the sunroof delete option which would've been nice to have but not a deal breaker at all.
The 997.2 (late models at least), already have xenons and bluetooth so the only option on my car was the 19 inch wheels that I'm going to replace eventually anyways.
Below you can see my car's "superleggera" build sheet
The only thing from the list above that my car doesn't have is the sunroof delete option which would've been nice to have but not a deal breaker at all.
The 997.2 (late models at least), already have xenons and bluetooth so the only option on my car was the 19 inch wheels that I'm going to replace eventually anyways.
Below you can see my car's "superleggera" build sheet
Seriously, that's the most minimalist build I can recall seeing. Kudos!
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08-26-2016, 11:30 PM
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He showed me the sticker which was well optioned at over $140k