How many plan to eventually get into a 991?
#16
#17
I know the 991 is more comfortable than a 997 but likely I would buy a 991 to replace my 997 when it is "done". I daily drive my car a lot so I don't know if I want to daily something that 15+ years old... so 991 it is then.
#18
I'm a person that usually gets the itch to change cars every couple of years, but that feeling has been reduced a lot since I got the 997.2. I still browse and dream about my next car down the road (looked at Astons, 430s, GT3s, Turbos, 991s) but never had the strong feeling of "I gotta have it now!" feeling as in previous years. I like the 991, I have not experienced it myself by driving one yet, but I like how it looks, but it's the first time I don't feel my car look outdated when compared to a new gen (exterior). My car is only a base too, I'm sure if I had a "S" or GTS I would be even more satisfied.
I don't know about a few years down the road, but as of now I don't feel the big excitement if I switched to a 991. If it was a straight trade maybe but even with the early 991s reaching reasonable money now I still don't see the point of forking out another $20k or so to get one. Does anyone think it's worth upgrading from a 997.2 base to a GTS or turbo?
I don't know about a few years down the road, but as of now I don't feel the big excitement if I switched to a 991. If it was a straight trade maybe but even with the early 991s reaching reasonable money now I still don't see the point of forking out another $20k or so to get one. Does anyone think it's worth upgrading from a 997.2 base to a GTS or turbo?
#19
I'll be interested to see where the value goes on the 991.1 cars. It could sky rocket as it's the last of the NA cars but that's really hard to say. Currently have no interest in 991.2 cars as I specifically did not want forced induction in a 911.
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#21
I would, just not sure worth the cost. There are some nice features for a daily driver (auto headlights, better tech gizmos, etc) and it can be nice to have a newer car to avoid maintenance issues. Purely for sporty driving experience only though -- no. But there are other factors.
#23
My 997.2 is a daily driver so eventually, I'll have to replace it. When I do, the pool of 3 or 4 year-old 911's to choose from will naturally be all 991 cars. So, I think the answer to the question is probably yes.
I'm with PHP, though. I've had my 997 for over three years and the "itch" to replace it hasn't really materialized like it has with all of my previous cars. Without that basic motivation, I'll probably keep this one for a while longer.
Plus, the evolution of the car from 2009 to now just hasn't been dramatic enough to make me really want the newest version.
I'm with PHP, though. I've had my 997 for over three years and the "itch" to replace it hasn't really materialized like it has with all of my previous cars. Without that basic motivation, I'll probably keep this one for a while longer.
Plus, the evolution of the car from 2009 to now just hasn't been dramatic enough to make me really want the newest version.
#24
Great question OP. I don't have either yet but the thing that drew me to 911s many years ago seems lost in the 991. It's a beautiful car and no doubt superior to the 997 in most objective measures. But the 997 still has that small playful exterior and open cabin that drew me to the 80s SC version when I was young. The 991 is a fitting competitor against other modern high end performance cars but it isn't the 911 I grew up with.
#26
Nope, wouldn't upgrade. I haven't driven the 991, but, to paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson in "Pulp Fiction" (. . . [s]ewer rat could taste like pumpkin pie but I'd never know because its a filthy animal and I don't eat filthy animals) - The 991 could be the absolute greatest 911 ever produced but I'll never know because I (personally) just don't like the looks of it and, regardless of its mechanicals, I can't spend that kind of money for something that I don't like the looks of.
Seriously though, I think the real determinant is what you want to do with your 911 and what characteristics you are looking for in a car. That said, and anyone b-slap me if I'm off base, the VWAG/PAG of 2016 is a different animal than the PAG up to around 2000. Back in the day (if I may be a retro grouch for a moment), the 911 was really a niche car, produced in smaller numbers, not really fast, not really comfortable, expensive for what you got and not particularly easy to drive or without mechanical hiccups. But for car enthusiasts it was unique, a blast and with practice/skill you make it go pretty quickly. But PAG, with profits in mind and being reinvigorated by the huge sales of the Cayenne, wanted to sell more 911s so it had to appeal to more than just uber-enthusiasts (like us I suppose). So all the rough edges, over time, have been smoothed out. Of course the 991 is faster, smoother, definitely safer, more comfortable, etc. - better in just about every, if not all, metrics. But to some (many?) it lacks the soul that the older 911s had ("soul" being as Justice Potter Stewart defined obscenity in 1964 in Jacobellis v. Ohio - "I know it when I see it"). For me, my 911 is not a DD, for that task I much, much prefer my Audi. Personally, driving is either a necessity to get somewhere or a means to itself. When I drive my GTS, typically it is to drive it and anything else I may do along the way is secondary. For this reason I want something that is a little older and needs some attention and care. So, I won't own a 991 or probably any future model. Great cars, I can see how many might love them, but not for me though.
Seriously though, I think the real determinant is what you want to do with your 911 and what characteristics you are looking for in a car. That said, and anyone b-slap me if I'm off base, the VWAG/PAG of 2016 is a different animal than the PAG up to around 2000. Back in the day (if I may be a retro grouch for a moment), the 911 was really a niche car, produced in smaller numbers, not really fast, not really comfortable, expensive for what you got and not particularly easy to drive or without mechanical hiccups. But for car enthusiasts it was unique, a blast and with practice/skill you make it go pretty quickly. But PAG, with profits in mind and being reinvigorated by the huge sales of the Cayenne, wanted to sell more 911s so it had to appeal to more than just uber-enthusiasts (like us I suppose). So all the rough edges, over time, have been smoothed out. Of course the 991 is faster, smoother, definitely safer, more comfortable, etc. - better in just about every, if not all, metrics. But to some (many?) it lacks the soul that the older 911s had ("soul" being as Justice Potter Stewart defined obscenity in 1964 in Jacobellis v. Ohio - "I know it when I see it"). For me, my 911 is not a DD, for that task I much, much prefer my Audi. Personally, driving is either a necessity to get somewhere or a means to itself. When I drive my GTS, typically it is to drive it and anything else I may do along the way is secondary. For this reason I want something that is a little older and needs some attention and care. So, I won't own a 991 or probably any future model. Great cars, I can see how many might love them, but not for me though.
#27
The only 991 that makes my blood boil is the 911R, and that one for sure is not happening. So to answer the OP's question, no, I won't be getting a 991.
I've never felt so happy with a car like I am with my 997. I've had it for 11 months and I still feel like I got it yesterday. The happiness hasn't faded at all.
I don't have any plans to get rid of my 997. It has everything I've been looking for in car for years.
I've never felt so happy with a car like I am with my 997. I've had it for 11 months and I still feel like I got it yesterday. The happiness hasn't faded at all.
I don't have any plans to get rid of my 997. It has everything I've been looking for in car for years.
#29
I'd say it's pretty unlikely that the value skyrockets anytime soon.
#30
No interest, except the GT3.
The 997.2 is already as GT-ish as I could see wanting in a sports car, though my exhaust swap for a Sharkwerks certainly has helped push it away from GT.
For longer cruises, I just pop it into 6th and the car is as comfortable as I would ever need, even for 8hr+ drives (which I've done a handful of).
Looks are subjective but I prefer my car over 991s as well. Looks-wise, I think 993 is where it's at. Since 997 has a great balance in driving (hydraulic steering), sound (after exhaust change) and looks (I am biased towards the wide body 4S look) I have no interest in changing to a 991. Even if I could get an equivalent 991 cheaper.
The only plus in my mind is the added HP, but it is pretty insignificant (385 to 400).
Funny thing is that I also prefer the 997 turbo variants too. The only 991 that really interests me is the GT3, which I am okay having PDK in, given the car's "mission".
The 997.2 is already as GT-ish as I could see wanting in a sports car, though my exhaust swap for a Sharkwerks certainly has helped push it away from GT.
For longer cruises, I just pop it into 6th and the car is as comfortable as I would ever need, even for 8hr+ drives (which I've done a handful of).
Looks are subjective but I prefer my car over 991s as well. Looks-wise, I think 993 is where it's at. Since 997 has a great balance in driving (hydraulic steering), sound (after exhaust change) and looks (I am biased towards the wide body 4S look) I have no interest in changing to a 991. Even if I could get an equivalent 991 cheaper.
The only plus in my mind is the added HP, but it is pretty insignificant (385 to 400).
Funny thing is that I also prefer the 997 turbo variants too. The only 991 that really interests me is the GT3, which I am okay having PDK in, given the car's "mission".