997.1 values
12-25-2014, 11:06 PM
#31
Rennlist Member
So this is an intersting conversation bc I have looked at a 2005 997 and wondering if the IMS can be easily be changed. Is it true it has to be the earlier years (2005) in order for it to be changed easily? If so I am wondering how you would know before I buy the car. Would a PPI be able to tell or not?
You can check the class action suit site to see if the VIN of any particular 2005 car is a part of the class. If it is, then I guess it's got the replaceable bearings. If it's not, then I think you can assume it's got the upgraded kit. But you won't REALLY know until you drop the transmission and put your eyes directly on it.
There's another good guessing game based on engine number (not VIN) where if the engine number is above [n] then it probably has the new stuff. Those numbers are buried deep in the bowels of this forum somewhere... try searching. There's a really good multi-colored chart in here somewhere showing engine numbers, engine types, etc.
Good luck!
12-26-2014, 09:27 AM
#32
Cars manufactured after Feb/Mar/Apr of 2005 will probably have the upgraded, not-easily-replaceable bearings. A PPI will not be able to tell you, unless that PPI includes dropping the transmission to check. The sticker on the driver's side door will tell you when the car was manufactured, but unless the date shows 2004 or after May or June 2005 you can't really be sure - and even then you can't be sure! Rumor has it that there are some rogue replaceable bearings out there after April 2005... I bought an 06 to make sure.
You can check the class action suit site to see if the VIN of any particular 2005 car is a part of the class. If it is, then I guess it's got the replaceable bearings. If it's not, then I think you can assume it's got the upgraded kit. But you won't REALLY know until you drop the transmission and put your eyes directly on it.
There's another good guessing game based on engine number (not VIN) where if the engine number is above [n] then it probably has the new stuff. Those numbers are buried deep in the bowels of this forum somewhere... try searching. There's a really good multi-colored chart in here somewhere showing engine numbers, engine types, etc.
Good luck!
You can check the class action suit site to see if the VIN of any particular 2005 car is a part of the class. If it is, then I guess it's got the replaceable bearings. If it's not, then I think you can assume it's got the upgraded kit. But you won't REALLY know until you drop the transmission and put your eyes directly on it.
There's another good guessing game based on engine number (not VIN) where if the engine number is above [n] then it probably has the new stuff. Those numbers are buried deep in the bowels of this forum somewhere... try searching. There's a really good multi-colored chart in here somewhere showing engine numbers, engine types, etc.
Good luck!
12-26-2014, 11:03 AM
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Since we're on the topic. I've been giving some thought to selling my 2005 C2 Tip with 51k miles.
What would be a fair price to ask? I was thinking Mid-30s. I'm located in NJ.
What would be a fair price to ask? I was thinking Mid-30s. I'm located in NJ.
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12-26-2014, 11:16 AM
#34
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2 things to keep in mind:
1. 02-04 model years are 996s, not 997s, so you should read up on the differences there.
2. There is no guarantee that your replacement IMS upgrade is going to last forever. It's not a "done deal." They also have been known to fail. The newer the engine, the less prone they are to failing, particularly after early 2005. The number of new-factory-bearing (i.e. after early 2005) failures are very very small...approaching zero. I would think you are better off with an 06-08 car than an IMS-replaced 02-04 car.
Just my .02. Good luck with your search!
12-26-2014, 01:24 PM
#35
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I'm no mechanic, so I'm not 100% sure. Back in post #23 of the above referenced thread it's noted that the M96 and M97 engines are very very similar, save for the cylinder boring and other more minor differences.
12-26-2014, 03:33 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
Curious indeed....
12-26-2014, 03:37 PM
#38
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Please post a snapshot of the engine number on the block itself (you can see it engraved on the motor near the driver's side rear wheel). Those certificates of authenticity are notoriously inaccurate!
12-26-2014, 04:21 PM
#40
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Thread Starter
Would a mint condition 2006 seal gray C4S coupe with factory aerokit, X-51, just over 18K miles, and located in Washington DC interest you? It has impeccable service history, full documentation, plus a binder filled with DIY literature. I'm being reassigned to Kuwait this summer which is forcing the sale. It's one of 6 C4S coupes optioned this way in 2006. I'd like it to go to someone who appreciates the car for what it is, and I'm certainly willing to let it go for a fair price.
I spoke of the car in post #612 of the "Let's see your 997" thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...l#post11639869
Sean
I spoke of the car in post #612 of the "Let's see your 997" thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...l#post11639869
Sean
Hi Sean, just sent you a PM
12-26-2014, 05:07 PM
#41
Burning Brakes
Okay, here are a couple quick photos of my engine. The certificate merely lists 'Engine/Transmission Type' as 'M96/03/G96/00', doesn't give more details of the serial number.
12-26-2014, 06:50 PM
#42
If the car in question is part of the class action suit, you've probably got the replaceable bearings.
2 things to keep in mind:
1. 02-04 model years are 996s, not 997s, so you should read up on the differences there.
2. There is no guarantee that your replacement IMS upgrade is going to last forever. It's not a "done deal." They also have been known to fail. The newer the engine, the less prone they are to failing, particularly after early 2005. The number of new-factory-bearing (i.e. after early 2005) failures are very very small...approaching zero. I would think you are better off with an 06-08 car than an IMS-replaced 02-04 car.
Just my .02. Good luck with your search!
2 things to keep in mind:
1. 02-04 model years are 996s, not 997s, so you should read up on the differences there.
2. There is no guarantee that your replacement IMS upgrade is going to last forever. It's not a "done deal." They also have been known to fail. The newer the engine, the less prone they are to failing, particularly after early 2005. The number of new-factory-bearing (i.e. after early 2005) failures are very very small...approaching zero. I would think you are better off with an 06-08 car than an IMS-replaced 02-04 car.
Just my .02. Good luck with your search!
#2 - Understood as well. I am on a budget and trying to stay close to $30k. Seem like my best shot is a C4S at that price and get the IMS done. Based on my research seems like a low chance of failure if you change the IMS out if changed preventively when all was looking good. The other option is I found a nice 997.1 When I checked the VIN this is what comes up on the Porsche lawsuit (pasted below). I will check the drivers side door like you discussed to see about manufacturing date. Sounds like PPI wont be able to tell.
Try Your VIN:
Place: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th 16th 17th
Value: W P 0 A A 2 9 9 8 5 S 7 1 6 2 5 2
Summary:
Model: Porsche 911 (997)
Manufacture Year: 2005
Assembly Plant: Stuggart
Last Five Digits: 16252
Conclusion:
This is a Class Vehicle. Its VIN is within the following Class Vehicle range: WP0AA29905S715077 - WP0AA29905S717475.
12-26-2014, 09:32 PM
#43
Instructor
Thread Starter
There is an 05 S I am considering. I plugged the VIN into the class action suit decoder, said the car was not a class vehicle. Does this mean it has the later bearing?
Thx,
Thx,
12-26-2014, 09:34 PM
#44
Rennlist Member
As my high school girlfriend used to say, "That's not it."
Check out this thread to help better locate the engine number.
It's on the driver's side, just above the oil pan.
Check out this thread to help better locate the engine number.
It's on the driver's side, just above the oil pan.
12-26-2014, 09:45 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
As my high school girlfriend used to say, "That's not it."
Check out this thread to help better locate the engine number.
It's on the driver's side, just above the oil pan.
Check out this thread to help better locate the engine number.
It's on the driver's side, just above the oil pan.
Okay, I looked again. I didn't see it before because it was a bit dirty there. I had to spray a bit of WD40 on it to make it visible.
Anyway, seems like I don't qualify for a free Mendy's dinner though...
