Why All The Porsche Haters Out There?
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I am not sure I see the class hatred.
The people I deal with at work and in my neighborhood have no idea what the P car costs. I live in a non upscale locale and have a non upscale job. Most folks seem to understand that the Porsche is expensive but they also know that it is not their cup of tea so I get none of the reaction I read about on this thread. Many aspire to own a Mercedes or a high end Cadillac. Most admire my car and wave. Interestingly enough, I have been snubbed by other Porsche drivers though.
Another point is that some of the SUV's and the pick ups that are mentioned in this thread cost 80 percent of the cost of my Pcar and I bought it new. One neighbor just paid almost 80K for a Cadillac SUV. For those who bought a previously owned Porsche, many of the high end SUV's retailed for more and sometimes quite a bit more.
The people I deal with at work and in my neighborhood have no idea what the P car costs. I live in a non upscale locale and have a non upscale job. Most folks seem to understand that the Porsche is expensive but they also know that it is not their cup of tea so I get none of the reaction I read about on this thread. Many aspire to own a Mercedes or a high end Cadillac. Most admire my car and wave. Interestingly enough, I have been snubbed by other Porsche drivers though.
Another point is that some of the SUV's and the pick ups that are mentioned in this thread cost 80 percent of the cost of my Pcar and I bought it new. One neighbor just paid almost 80K for a Cadillac SUV. For those who bought a previously owned Porsche, many of the high end SUV's retailed for more and sometimes quite a bit more.
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I've purchased most of my cars used. Most people don't know that most used Porsches are actually pretty affordable, reliable and not too expensive to maintain (or insure). So I don't get the class hatred/jealousy/envy vibe from neighbors and friends. For most, it's easier to get a Porsche than to get a nice house in an exclusive neighborhood. Most people I know don't know the difference between a Boxster and a GT2RS.
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The most common issue that I face in my C4S is as follows:
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As I begin to pass the car, they speed up. If I speed up, they will match it, or even speed up more. Sometimes they'll get up to 15 or 20 mph above the speed limit. Eventually, they brake hard and go back to their original speed, and I move into the middle lane ahead of them. It's sort of a "passive aggressive" thing. It happens all the time.
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As I begin to pass the car, they speed up. If I speed up, they will match it, or even speed up more. Sometimes they'll get up to 15 or 20 mph above the speed limit. Eventually, they brake hard and go back to their original speed, and I move into the middle lane ahead of them. It's sort of a "passive aggressive" thing. It happens all the time.
When I first started racing I towed on an open trailer, and this behavior really infuriated me - people slowing down or speeding up to ride right next to my trailer. Then I noticed that someone in the car was generally looking over at the race car and grinning, or pointing it out to another passenger.
After I figure that out, it never bothered me again. Same thing happens in the C2S. While I didn't buy it to attract attention, I don't see any reason to get uptight when people go out of their way to have a look.
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It used to be that Americans did not envy their rich neighbors, as they knew it was up to them to do well (and still is). Today, however, the narrative from the top is that the 'rich' do not deserve their wealth, and all must have an equal outcome. It's that narrative that is corroding society even if when tried elsewhere it led to no good for all.
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I live in the Atlanta suburbs and drive my P car to work a couple of times a week. For frame of reference my DD is a Toyota 4Runner. Lately I have experienced more P car haters on the road. Guys in Sonatas, Altimas and the like who want to race me at every light, idiots in SUV's and over sized pickups who want to ride your bumper every chance they get, and then there are the guys who aren't happy that you are doing 40 mph in a 35 mph zone and want to ride your bumper and flash their lights at you until you either turn or speed up. When I am in my DD I never have these issues.
I can't speak for everyone but until two years ago when I could finally make my Porsche dream a reality I was never a hater, but I sure did check out the other P cars and admire them.
I'm curious, has anyone else out there experienced similar behavior from other drivers?
I can't speak for everyone but until two years ago when I could finally make my Porsche dream a reality I was never a hater, but I sure did check out the other P cars and admire them.
I'm curious, has anyone else out there experienced similar behavior from other drivers?
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Not sure what all the references to Mustangs and Corvettes is all about. Many of these cars are capable of running circles around our 911's so I think we sound a bit ridiculous when we say they all cut us off or have some sort of envy.
Keep in mind many of their owners also love Porsches and might even own one too.
Keep in mind many of their owners also love Porsches and might even own one too.
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People are usually ok with me. If they want to race - I let them go. If it is a corner, I usually leave them in the dust.
I will usually pull down my window and complement them first. I have done this with VW GTi, Subaru BRZ's, Nissan Z, S2k guys. They feel much better about P car guys. Just be nicer and everything will be better for all of us. I started with VW, Hondas. We all have to start somewhere.
I will usually pull down my window and complement them first. I have done this with VW GTi, Subaru BRZ's, Nissan Z, S2k guys. They feel much better about P car guys. Just be nicer and everything will be better for all of us. I started with VW, Hondas. We all have to start somewhere.
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Sometimes, that driver is checking out your car and admiring - just getting a good look.
When I first started racing I towed on an open trailer, and this behavior really infuriated me - people slowing down or speeding up to ride right next to my trailer. Then I noticed that someone in the car was generally looking over at the race car and grinning, or pointing it out to another passenger.
After I figure that out, it never bothered me again. Same thing happens in the C2S. While I didn't buy it to attract attention, I don't see any reason to get uptight when people go out of their way to have a look.
When I first started racing I towed on an open trailer, and this behavior really infuriated me - people slowing down or speeding up to ride right next to my trailer. Then I noticed that someone in the car was generally looking over at the race car and grinning, or pointing it out to another passenger.
After I figure that out, it never bothered me again. Same thing happens in the C2S. While I didn't buy it to attract attention, I don't see any reason to get uptight when people go out of their way to have a look.
Don't get me wrong - I don't harbor hate or resentment toward them, and I'm glad for their appreciation of the car. It'd just be nice if they would put driving safely and politely at a higher priority than ogling the car. If they do that, it'll still be around for them to ogle after we pass the traffic (and they'll get a friendly smile and wave).
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There are a lot of car enthusiasts in the Bay Area (and generally in CA) so I am more likely to get the thumbs-up or hammer down, and be given some distance and/or be allowed to pass (on 2 lane roads) more frequently than not.
Those drivers that can't seem to stay off the fat tush (or the SC's slimmer one), are allowed to pass and mess with someone else...most of the time.![evilgrin](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/evilgrin.gif)
This is just what I do...Don't ya love the corners! ![bigbye](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/xyxwave.gif)
This is so true (and does not apply to only this subject). Take an interest in someone else (or their stuff) and they will feel better about you (well, actually themselves but it is complicated!).
Those drivers that can't seem to stay off the fat tush (or the SC's slimmer one), are allowed to pass and mess with someone else...most of the time.
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I will usually pull down my window and complement them first. I have done this with VW GTi, Subaru BRZ's, Nissan Z, S2k guys. They feel much better about P car guys. Just be nicer and everything will be better for all of us. I started with VW, Hondas. We all have to start somewhere.
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I've purchased most of my cars used. Most people don't know that most used Porsches are actually pretty affordable, reliable and not too expensive to maintain (or insure). So I don't get the class hatred/jealousy/envy vibe from neighbors and friends. For most, it's easier to get a Porsche than to get a nice house in an exclusive neighborhood. Most people I know don't know the difference between a Boxster and a GT2RS.
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It used to be that Americans did not envy their rich neighbors, as they knew it was up to them to do well (and still is). Today, however, the narrative from the top is that the 'rich' do not deserve their wealth, and all must have an equal outcome. It's that narrative that is corroding society even if when tried elsewhere it led to no good for all.
Also, many of the 0.001% inherited, not earned, their wealth. Waltons, Kochs ... it's a long list. Yet they act as though they are the smartest and most entitled, and know best how to run this country. It's called plutocracy.