tgavem

Hi all; I purchased my 2007 911 4S Cab from Chicago motorcars and I can say my experience was good. Are all sales people and managers 110% honest all the time?? Probably not as they need to sell a car at profit. Are there bad cases - absolutely as buyers are not perfect either.
I am sure there are several Porsche owners that have bought their cars from a Porsche dealer at full price from the a-la-carte menu rather than the Option packages and therefore providing the Porsche dealer with more profit or bought a used car with some history not shared.

My purchase from CMC was not perfect. I did not bid through ebay but looked at their website after finding the car on Autotrader. Were the photos glossy, absolutely - but I could see some imperfections in the paint. I requested additional non touched up photos and could identify marks under front bumper and one dimple on the rear bumper. This looked like normal wear and tear. I could also live with these marks as the car had the Options I wanted and the right price. I took the car for a PPI and report came back good. We negotiated a price delivered in Houston. Carfax was clean.
There were 3 items I did not discover until car was delivered - hood had been re-painted, scratches on the driver side leather door panel (must be from giant superbowl or wedding ring), and it only came with one key. The PPI I requested was for a mechanical check including DME for Type 1-5 revs but I did not ask for paint thickness measurements. Should the shop have told me, absolutely, as well as the door panel scratches and sent me pictures rather than the "car has minor scratches ...." noted in the body of the report. I had a local shop price a re-paint of hood and bumper and new door panel at cost of about $2000. I have not performed these repairs yet but I will this spring. The car has been running perfect since I bought it 2.5 years ago and 15k miles including track days. The purchase process itself was great; CMC delivered and picked up the car for PPI, we negotiated and agreed on price, paperwork was sent as promised, funds transferred, and car delivered. I will give CMC a grade A for the purchase process and B+ on the car. Some may dispute my B+ rating with the flaws listed but for the price - it was a reasonable deal to me and I am enjoying the car everyday.
As with all major expensive purchases, due diligence must be exercised.

beden1

Why was the hood repainted? Was it in an accident, and if so, how extensive was the damage to the front end? This should have been disclosed if you asked the question - to your knowledge has this car ever been in an accident? Also, not showing the pictures of the damage on the interior driver door is not exactly forthcoming or honest dealings.

I would have returned the car. Judging from the experience you outlined, I would give them a failing grade for their errors and omissions.

tgavem

Not sure why the hood was repainted, could have been anything, ex backed into by a pick up while grocery shopping or small rear end. I can confirm that there has been no structural damage, none of the attaching elements have been repaired nor painted, bumper attachment are original and was never removed from frame, and that the fenders have not been painted. Headlights are still OEM and look identical in age.
There were only scratches on interior panel, not damage.
For $2000 - cost of returning car, the effort to get my money back, getting a refund on the return shipping, the hours of paperwork, etc etc. It was not worth my time. I will spend that time being successful at work and get tenfolds back.
My lessons; I will first try to find the car locally, if not, I will always see the car in person before sending deposit or buy it.

Marine Blue

I really think it comes down to intended purpose and price paid. If I paid top dollar for what is advertised as a top dollar commanding car and received a car with paintwork and interior damage I would not be happy. However if I were buying a DD and didn't expect perfection I would be more lenient with wear/tear and would also expect to pay less.

It sounds like CMC advertises perfection and creates a gap between what they and the buyer consider perfection.

goofballdeluxe

Why would anyone ever buy anything from someone they know is at all crooked? Never makes any sense to me.

sandwedge

I appreciate the heads up. Plenty of unbiased documentation there to turn on red lights. With that kind of paper trail I don't see the relevance of you having done business with them or not. But it seems like there's always someone who'll defend a business or try to find mitigating circumstances no matter how egregious the behavior.

I think the idea is that all the burden always falls on the consumer to do their DD and none falls on the business to deal honestly and fairly. You've seen it in this tread already and you saw it several times in Lozzy's thread where all the blame was shifted to him and none was placed on Beverly Hills Porsche despite gross misrepresentation of a CPO car.

tgavem

Well said. I agree they inflate their ads, but price was below others and market and I did not expect it to be collector car. It is a regular driver for me and I have driven it on the track. Now I take my 05 GT3 to the track. That car can actually be a collector items as only 950 were built in 05. My 07 Cab is just an nice used car, nothing more or nothing less.

tgavem

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Para82

Wow you're a nice guy!

Justin N

tgavem- if that was a good experience I would hate to see what you would think to be a bad one from a used car dealer... would the car have to catch on fire once deliverd?

For a second I got this confused with Chicago Motors in downtown Chicago. Similar kind of setup, not collector cars but decent prices although the descriptions are generally embellished.. When I was shopping for an uber sedan (M5 an RS4's) they had a few that we advertised as clean/ non smoker. Everyone of the cars I looked at smelled like a cigar bar inside, and not good cigars either.....

Lvt19672

These guys need to be lock up in prison.

Perk10

REALLY nice

Quadcammer

first, the narrator of that video may be one of the most annoying people on the earth.

2nd, it was a used car that likely had door dings, scratches and some curb rash. $3,000 in body damage on a mercedes is not out of this world. Sure its not the pristine condition that its advertised in, but frankly, that appears to be relatively minor in the scope of used car dealer practices.

targaC4S

Go on the website and watch the Lamborghini video. There is nothing minor about a totaled car being sold as new for 450k.

Quadcammer

eh, I'll take your word for it.

I would not buy a used car from any dealer without seeing it first.