TPMS intermittant failure - Porsche doesn't replace under warranty!
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Here's something else to remember when swapping TPMS sensors...don't keep the old ones in the car when you are resetting the system.
I kept on getting a "flat tire" message as the system was learning, and I kept on trying to reset the TPMS.
Finally, the computer sent me a message, "there are too many sensors."
It didn't say there are too many sensors, "dumb ***", but that would have been appropriate , and I realized that the mechanic had put the old sensors in a bag on the floor, and the system was reading the older sensors.
I kept on getting a "flat tire" message as the system was learning, and I kept on trying to reset the TPMS.
Finally, the computer sent me a message, "there are too many sensors."
It didn't say there are too many sensors, "dumb ***", but that would have been appropriate , and I realized that the mechanic had put the old sensors in a bag on the floor, and the system was reading the older sensors.
#17
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Plan B then... there are various threads re TPMS replacements. Suncoast has a set for ~$440 or perhaps your GM friend would be willing to cut you a deal. http://www.suncoastparts.com/product//TPMSensor.html
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I just go the same issues. One bad sensor is crashing the system. Ridiculous.
All are off by 2-3 PSI (lower than actual value) except the third one which gives no reading anymore and then the whole thing crashes.
All are off by 2-3 PSI (lower than actual value) except the third one which gives no reading anymore and then the whole thing crashes.
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The TPMS system is able to determine , from 4 identical sensors, mounted just a few feet apart, exactly which individual wheel is sending the signal.
This experience has left me wondering just how do they do that ?
This experience has left me wondering just how do they do that ?
#20
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Is it a case of the sensor batteries having run their course? I'd have thought the batteries lasted longer than 4 years, but I don't know. If the batteries normally ran down in the sensors, then the sensors need replacing. Not really a warranty issue because they are a consumable item that is expected to need replacing.. so its not a product failure, but a product wearing out as expected.
Now if the warranty covers a service item as well, then I can see why expecting Porsche to pay for replacing dead sensor batteries (ie replacing the TPMS sensor as its not serviceable from what I understand) would be expected.
Now if the warranty covers a service item as well, then I can see why expecting Porsche to pay for replacing dead sensor batteries (ie replacing the TPMS sensor as its not serviceable from what I understand) would be expected.
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Is it a case of the sensor batteries having run their course? I'd have thought the batteries lasted longer than 4 years, but I don't know. If the batteries normally ran down in the sensors, then the sensors need replacing. Not really a warranty issue because they are a consumable item that is expected to need replacing.. so its not a product failure, but a product wearing out as expected.
Now if the warranty covers a service item as well, then I can see why expecting Porsche to pay for replacing dead sensor batteries (ie replacing the TPMS sensor as its not serviceable from what I understand) would be expected.
Now if the warranty covers a service item as well, then I can see why expecting Porsche to pay for replacing dead sensor batteries (ie replacing the TPMS sensor as its not serviceable from what I understand) would be expected.
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I have a 2006 C4S, purchased new, and when one of my sensors failed in November, 2011 (car out of warranty), the dealer replaced all four for free after checking with their PCNA district service rep.
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UPDATE:
Called PCNA last week, talked to this very nice lady and she was surprised and said basically if it fails, it needs to be replaced, BUT she has to check with regional representative or something like that.
So, then I get a call back this week (same woman), and she said that based on the regional representative if there's no ECU error code, they can't replace it and that's it... she wasn't even interested in discussing the matter and was quite rude this time around and basically said the rep said this and that's the bottom line.
So, I guess I need to wait for the car to throw codes!
Called PCNA last week, talked to this very nice lady and she was surprised and said basically if it fails, it needs to be replaced, BUT she has to check with regional representative or something like that.
So, then I get a call back this week (same woman), and she said that based on the regional representative if there's no ECU error code, they can't replace it and that's it... she wasn't even interested in discussing the matter and was quite rude this time around and basically said the rep said this and that's the bottom line.
So, I guess I need to wait for the car to throw codes!
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UPDATE:
Called PCNA last week, talked to this very nice lady and she was surprised and said basically if it fails, it needs to be replaced, BUT she has to check with regional representative or something like that.
So, then I get a call back this week (same woman), and she said that based on the regional representative if there's no ECU error code, they can't replace it and that's it... she wasn't even interested in discussing the matter and was quite rude this time around and basically said the rep said this and that's the bottom line.
So, I guess I need to wait for the car to throw codes!
Called PCNA last week, talked to this very nice lady and she was surprised and said basically if it fails, it needs to be replaced, BUT she has to check with regional representative or something like that.
So, then I get a call back this week (same woman), and she said that based on the regional representative if there's no ECU error code, they can't replace it and that's it... she wasn't even interested in discussing the matter and was quite rude this time around and basically said the rep said this and that's the bottom line.
So, I guess I need to wait for the car to throw codes!
This distinction seems obvious to my geeky engineering mind, but I have a feeling it isn't to everyone. I suppose it's like a tire that goes flat without road damage. If it happens at 1000 miles, that's a failure. If it happens at 40,000 miles with the tread worn down to the cord, that's life.
Does that make sense, Alex?
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Based on what I know, it looks like the sensors in my '07 are reaching the end of their battery life. I've only seen a fault code once and one sensor consistently fails to give a reading. This car is 1.5 years out of warranty so I'm not expecting PCNA to give me a goodwill fix on this.
Long story short, I'm going to pick up 4 new sensors and the next time I do tires have the old ones replaced. Is there any coding or programming that has to be done or will the system just figure out which new sensor is in which wheel?
Long story short, I'm going to pick up 4 new sensors and the next time I do tires have the old ones replaced. Is there any coding or programming that has to be done or will the system just figure out which new sensor is in which wheel?
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Based on what I know, it looks like the sensors in my '07 are reaching the end of their battery life. I've only seen a fault code once and one sensor consistently fails to give a reading. This car is 1.5 years out of warranty so I'm not expecting PCNA to give me a goodwill fix on this.
Long story short, I'm going to pick up 4 new sensors and the next time I do tires have the old ones replaced. Is there any coding or programming that has to be done or will the system just figure out which new sensor is in which wheel?
Long story short, I'm going to pick up 4 new sensors and the next time I do tires have the old ones replaced. Is there any coding or programming that has to be done or will the system just figure out which new sensor is in which wheel?
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these sensors have a useful life of 4-6 years and it's not something that I've seen replaced under warranty before. It's similar to a battery (the batteries die) in the sense that it's a replaceable item and considered a service item if and when....
I think you can get a set for about $400 and you'd have to dismount and remount the tires to refit them but in the grand scheme of things they're not to terribly expensive.
I'd asked before about simply replacing the battery in the sensor itself but it's apparently not user replaceable.
I think you can get a set for about $400 and you'd have to dismount and remount the tires to refit them but in the grand scheme of things they're not to terribly expensive.
I'd asked before about simply replacing the battery in the sensor itself but it's apparently not user replaceable.
#29
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I'd not expect the batteries to be user replicable. The angular rotation those sensors are subjected to in the wheels, I'd expect the entire assembly is very securely and permanently bonded together. To allow batter replacement would mean you had to design it to come apart, and that is a liability for something spinning around on the inside of the wheel and tire like that.
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these sensors have a useful life of 4-6 years and it's not something that I've seen replaced under warranty before. It's similar to a battery (the batteries die) in the sense that it's a replaceable item and considered a service item if and when....
I think you can get a set for about $400 and you'd have to dismount and remount the tires to refit them but in the grand scheme of things they're not to terribly expensive.
I'd asked before about simply replacing the battery in the sensor itself but it's apparently not user replaceable.
I think you can get a set for about $400 and you'd have to dismount and remount the tires to refit them but in the grand scheme of things they're not to terribly expensive.
I'd asked before about simply replacing the battery in the sensor itself but it's apparently not user replaceable.
Probably Beverly Hills clients don't bother asking?