Tell me your honest opinions good and bad of the 997.2 Targa 4S with PDK
09-02-2012, 02:12 AM
#16
Instructor
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Saint Clairsville, OH
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not sure who the original owner was.
Last edited by OhioLefty; 09-02-2012 at 02:41 AM.
09-02-2012, 10:43 AM
#17
Drifting
TRIPPY! black fuchs and wow
09-02-2012, 11:07 AM
#18
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
I love them,way more practicle than a convertible,most high end companies are doing away with manual.
True everything car.
True everything car.
09-02-2012, 02:00 PM
#19
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 731
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm genuinely impressed that someone would not be embarrassed to make such a patently ignorant statement and propose such a laughably inept analogy. By show of hands, how many here wish they had a dollar for every high-end MT sports car manufactured and sold in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and to the present?
09-02-2012, 02:08 PM
#20
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 731
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Unfortunately, economics dictates that it's an older demographic than in the past who can afford high-end cars these days, replete with arthritic joints, fat bellies and lowered testosterone levels. That and the basic human nature to be lazy continues to be a major profit incentive for technology.
Porsche has indeed adopted an agenda of making the 911 a "true everything car". The danger in that of course is that there is no such thing, and as they broaden its appeal in one direction they restrict it in the opposite. At some point, brand loyalty and nostalgia no longer suffice. Whether that is already happening is a matter for discussion. In my locale, a noted hotbed for high-end supercars and home to the largest Porsche dealership in the states, the 991 is off to a rather lukewarm start, and whilst second-hand 997.2 PDK versions languish on the lot, those with proper manuals are in high demand...suggesting possibly that the younger demographic (who tend to purchase second-hand) are still more enthusiastic about a proper manual.
Porsche has indeed adopted an agenda of making the 911 a "true everything car". The danger in that of course is that there is no such thing, and as they broaden its appeal in one direction they restrict it in the opposite. At some point, brand loyalty and nostalgia no longer suffice. Whether that is already happening is a matter for discussion. In my locale, a noted hotbed for high-end supercars and home to the largest Porsche dealership in the states, the 991 is off to a rather lukewarm start, and whilst second-hand 997.2 PDK versions languish on the lot, those with proper manuals are in high demand...suggesting possibly that the younger demographic (who tend to purchase second-hand) are still more enthusiastic about a proper manual.
09-02-2012, 02:16 PM
#21
I love pdk. I used to be a manual transmission guy until I was rear ended several years ago and I had surgery to fix spine problems but I still have quite a bit of shoulder pain so driving a manual transmission car would put a lot of strain on my shoulder causing me more pain and taking away from having fun while driving. Plus I live in a city with a lot of stop and go traffic so pdk is more convenient in those situations too. If I didn't have shoulder pain I really would've liked to get a manual even if its not as fast as pdk.
09-02-2012, 02:21 PM
#22
Still plays with cars.
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Interesting observation Palmbeacher, in these parts demand for PDK is higher than manuals. The people who prefer manuals go for the GT(x) models. My RS is manual my C4S is PDK and I love it. I wish I had it in the track car. I've done heel and toe forever. Being able to shift as fast as a sequential and even mid corner is a huge plus on the track. I think the trend is obvious, the Ferrari and BMW ALMS cars are paddle shift, as is F1. I think they lead the way, can race cars not be called proper sports cars? I do agree that the evolution of the 911 has been towards a more versatile car. On the other hand a 991S is amazing on the track, as quick as a GT3 in spite of the comfort. So they have managed to provide a more versatile (daily driver) without sacrificing performance. Not a bad feat.
09-02-2012, 02:44 PM
#23
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 731
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Interesting observation Palmbeacher, in these parts demand for PDK is higher than manuals. The people who prefer manuals go for the GT(x) models. My RS is manual my C4S is PDK and I love it. I wish I had it in the track car. I've done heel and toe forever. Being able to shift as fast as a sequential and even mid corner is a huge plus on the track. I think the trend is obvious, the Ferrari and BMW ALMS cars are paddle shift, as is F1. I think they lead the way, can race cars not be called proper sports cars? I do agree that the evolution of the 911 has been towards a more versatile car. On the other hand a 991S is amazing on the track, as quick as a GT3 in spite of the comfort. So they have managed to provide a more versatile (daily driver) without sacrificing performance.
09-02-2012, 04:05 PM
#24
I'm genuinely impressed that someone would not be embarrassed to make such a patently ignorant statement and propose such a laughably inept analogy. By show of hands, how many here wish they had a dollar for every high-end MT sports car manufactured and sold in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and to the present?
09-02-2012, 04:32 PM
#25
Instructor
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Saint Clairsville, OH
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
More pics of the car for those who are interested
09-02-2012, 05:55 PM
#26
Official Rennlist Snake Slayer
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
I like the contrast of the interior, which appears to be in excellent condition for a 40k mile car.
The only option I noticed missing was Sport Chrono, but you can get around that with the sport button option. That's a must for full PDK enjoyment.
A one-of-kind car and a stunner!
09-02-2012, 08:08 PM
#27
Instructor
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Saint Clairsville, OH
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think that is a stunning car, and definately a custom ordered car.
I like the contrast of the interior, which appears to be in excellent condition for a 40k mile car.
The only option I noticed missing was Sport Chrono, but you can get around that with the sport button option. That's a must for full PDK enjoyment.
A one-of-kind car and a stunner!
I like the contrast of the interior, which appears to be in excellent condition for a 40k mile car.
The only option I noticed missing was Sport Chrono, but you can get around that with the sport button option. That's a must for full PDK enjoyment.
A one-of-kind car and a stunner!
09-14-2012, 10:43 PM
#28
The unique color combo is what got my attention. I realize it may not be for everybody but for some reason I'm sorta drawn to this car. Never thought I would want a White Targa with White Full Leather. Not saying this is the one, just got my attention. That's why I was asking for opinions.
Funny thing is, I've been looking mostly at Meteor Gray C4S with Black Interior. Big swing the other direction. Like I said, this one got my attention because I've never seen another one like it. Would I order one like this? Probably not. Will I end up buying this one? Who knows, but it really has me thinking.
Talk to me guys and gals...
Funny thing is, I've been looking mostly at Meteor Gray C4S with Black Interior. Big swing the other direction. Like I said, this one got my attention because I've never seen another one like it. Would I order one like this? Probably not. Will I end up buying this one? Who knows, but it really has me thinking.
Talk to me guys and gals...
I'd buy that in a second!
(Except for the PDK part).
09-14-2012, 10:52 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
To me, the Targa is in "no mans land" between a coupe and cabriolet. Also, the rear visibly is terrible when the glass is retracted. Not a good thing on a $100k car. Be aware too that the 991 Targa is going to have a fully removable glass roof when it comes out soon. So it will be truer to the Targa of old.
I'm skeptical that the interior combo will age well.
Also, OP, btw it's "piqued my interest"
09-14-2012, 11:17 PM
#30
Targas are cool, rare, and different no matter what vintage of 911 (even 996). I find it very interesting that Porsche elected to make all 997 Targas widebody 4 cars. Even better.
Go for it.
Go for it.