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How many of you are planning on keeping your 997's instead of getting a 991? I have a 07 C2S with 30k miles that's been great. Not one problem. I'm starting to wonder if this should be a keeper or if I should go towards the 991. How expensive do think these things will be as they age?
That said, Porsches have a decades-long reputation for reliability, which given their sporting nature is very admirable. That makes it common to see Porsches with well over six figures in mileage and I regularly see forty-year-old examples that are unrestored daily drivers (all original that is). We kept our NSX for ten years and 140,000 miles. Nothing about this 997.2 seems less reliable and since we're in a later decade ourselves, we're driving only half as many miles each year.
I expect this car to outlive us. I see the 997, and especially these dot two models, as being another fine vintage of the 911 genus, along with the 930 and 993. Professionally, I believe that if Paul Frére were alive to update his "Porsche 911 Story" he'd say the same thing. If I'm right (and I'll probably say as much in my will and who would dare cast doubt on such a document?), then someone among my great-grand nieces and nephews will inherit a car worth keeping.
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One more thought: Never buy version 1.0.
The 991 may be perfect from the get go. But it probably is not. Cars are complicated devices and it takes time for all the bugs to manifest themselves, be identified and then fixed ... or not. Perhaps the fix will be more than just a tweak but, rather, a complete reengineering of a major component. (IMS, anyone?)
Given that the 991 does not promise a vastly better experience over that provided by my 997.2, I am content to wait and let someone else be the guinea pig. If the 991 is perfect out of the box, I will not have missed out on all that much. If not, I am having a fine time in a great car and saving money all the while.
Of course, if I wanted to get my first 911, the issue would be very different. But happily, that is not my situation.
The 991 may be perfect from the get go. But it probably is not. Cars are complicated devices and it takes time for all the bugs to manifest themselves, be identified and then fixed ... or not. Perhaps the fix will be more than just a tweak but, rather, a complete reengineering of a major component. (IMS, anyone?)
Given that the 991 does not promise a vastly better experience over that provided by my 997.2, I am content to wait and let someone else be the guinea pig. If the 991 is perfect out of the box, I will not have missed out on all that much. If not, I am having a fine time in a great car and saving money all the while.
Of course, if I wanted to get my first 911, the issue would be very different. But happily, that is not my situation.
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I don't see myself getting rid of this car anytime soon! It's the color I want; I've put way less miles on it than I expected and.....I love it! I was ready for the 997 and couldn't wait to get one....I don't feel the same about the 991!
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Just bought a new 997 cab S. BTW it is titled as a 2012. Not really interested in 991 it is a bigger car. Had my 99 996 cab since new, traded it in. Also dont care about car that shuts off at stop lights or free wheels. 991 has a larger turning radius. I'm sure it is faster at the track and handles a little better. Not enough for me to wait or pay 8k more and get less for my trade. I intend to keep this new car at least 10 years. I had 5 Corvettes before last Porsche. My first one a 63 I bought new I drove for 15 years sold it for more than I paid for it.
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Porsche builds these things so well that there's no need to swap cars that often. I keep mine a long time (ask anyone who orders one with PCCB). While I'm sure the 991 is great, I'm extremely happy with my old' cabriolet. I figure I'm among the very select few in the world's population who can claim to own a 997!
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Very happy with the 2007 C2 I purchased in March of this year. As it spends considerable time in the garage (1800 miles in 7 months), and I just purchased a 5 year extended warranty, so I'm in no rush to get a new car nor can I justify one based on the amount of driving per year. I treat it pretty much like my motorcycles of past, fair weather only.
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after buying my .2GT3RS, less than a handful of cars out there excite me anymore. It is a keeper.
club coupe is my collector car, just bought 5 years of Easycare. No 991 for me.
club coupe is my collector car, just bought 5 years of Easycare. No 991 for me.
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One more thought: Never buy version 1.0.
The 991 may be perfect from the get go. But it probably is not. Cars are complicated devices and it takes time for all the bugs to manifest themselves, be identified and then fixed ... or not. Perhaps the fix will be more than just a tweak but, rather, a complete reengineering of a major component. (IMS, anyone?)
Given that the 991 does not promise a vastly better experience over that provided by my 997.2, I am content to wait and let someone else be the guinea pig. If the 991 is perfect out of the box, I will not have missed out on all that much. If not, I am having a fine time in a great car and saving money all the while.
Of course, if I wanted to get my first 911, the issue would be very different. But happily, that is not my situation.
The 991 may be perfect from the get go. But it probably is not. Cars are complicated devices and it takes time for all the bugs to manifest themselves, be identified and then fixed ... or not. Perhaps the fix will be more than just a tweak but, rather, a complete reengineering of a major component. (IMS, anyone?)
Given that the 991 does not promise a vastly better experience over that provided by my 997.2, I am content to wait and let someone else be the guinea pig. If the 991 is perfect out of the box, I will not have missed out on all that much. If not, I am having a fine time in a great car and saving money all the while.
Of course, if I wanted to get my first 911, the issue would be very different. But happily, that is not my situation.
While the 997.2 DFI engines seem reliable now, we won't know perhaps for another 5 years if they're really as reliable as we think. Seeing the problems that Audi and other car makes have with carbon build up on DFI engines, I'm still not sure if we can proclaim the 997.2 as bug free.
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While I do agree with you, keep in mind that the 997.2 is also a 1.0 in terms of the DFI engine. It took the whole lifecycle of the 996 and a few years of the 997.1 before seeing the IMS as a real issue. And I'd argue it's less of an issue on the 997.1 than the internet flames make it out to be.
While the 997.2 DFI engines seem reliable now, we won't know perhaps for another 5 years if they're really as reliable as we think. Seeing the problems that Audi and other car makes have with carbon build up on DFI engines, I'm still not sure if we can proclaim the 997.2 as bug free.
While the 997.2 DFI engines seem reliable now, we won't know perhaps for another 5 years if they're really as reliable as we think. Seeing the problems that Audi and other car makes have with carbon build up on DFI engines, I'm still not sure if we can proclaim the 997.2 as bug free.
The three most common problems with the M96/M97 engine a) RMS leaks (not catastrophic but a $900 fix), b) IMS issues taking out the engine, and c) "D chunk" of the block at piston #4 due to lack of/restricted cooling in that area, appear to have been addressed or eliminated with the 9A1 engine.
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Probably look to get a 991 in a few years - maybe 3. I love the 997.2 and see no need to change it now. In fact, my buddy (owns an R8) went to the LA Auto show and said he loved the 991 but it definitely does not date the 997. He actually thought from an exterior standpoint, the 997 from a 996 was a bigger difference than a 991 from a 997. I agree. Thoughts?
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she's a keeper. doesn't mean i won't buy another 911 sometime down the line, but i'm not selling this one. it will be nice to look back in 20-30 yrs time and have a collection of 3-5 911's from different eras. that's the goal anyway.