997.1 vs 997.2
08-16-2018, 12:16 PM
#32
Rennlist Member
I’ve had 2 996’s and now a 997.2 C4S with PDK. If your budget allows for it go with a 997.2. Otherwise find a well sorted and documented 997.1. I wouldn’t track a m96/97 engine because of the failures noted.
08-16-2018, 12:25 PM
#33
RL Community Team
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First, when a Camry breaks, the cost to fix is going to be way lower than a Porsche on average (reasons: way lower volumes therefore higher unit costs and just because they can)
2 - Camrys are designed to be driven by the average person (a knucklehead) so some design aspects are compromised such as performance as tolerances are such to allow for starting up in sub-zero temps and flooring it.
C - Differences in market demands.... The market demands a low cost, long lasting Camery..... Porsche market demands that other look at them when they yell "Look at me! Look at me!"
Peace
Bruce in Philly
08-16-2018, 12:34 PM
#34
Yes.
First, when a Camry breaks, the cost to fix is going to be way lower than a Porsche on average (reasons: way lower volumes therefore higher unit costs and just because they can)
2 - Camrys are designed to be driven by the average person (a knucklehead) so some design aspects are compromised such as performance as tolerances are such to allow for starting up in sub-zero temps and flooring it.
C - Differences in market demands.... The market demands a low cost, long lasting Camery..... Porsche market demands that other look at them when they yell "Look at me! Look at me!"
Peace
Bruce in Philly
First, when a Camry breaks, the cost to fix is going to be way lower than a Porsche on average (reasons: way lower volumes therefore higher unit costs and just because they can)
2 - Camrys are designed to be driven by the average person (a knucklehead) so some design aspects are compromised such as performance as tolerances are such to allow for starting up in sub-zero temps and flooring it.
C - Differences in market demands.... The market demands a low cost, long lasting Camery..... Porsche market demands that other look at them when they yell "Look at me! Look at me!"
Peace
Bruce in Philly
08-17-2018, 05:59 AM
#35
Get a 997.1 built after mid-2006 and save some money for nice upgrades/tires/maintenance.
The "major problems" you read about on the forums are mostly internet phenomena; talk to any Porsche specialist (except those selling preventive measures of course) and they will confirm.
If you believe all the internet-talk, you would not dare to buy any car whatsoever (997.2 has pdk-issues, I am sure there are plenty of "issues" to be found with 991's as well, etc. etc.).
Besides, the 997.1 sounds way better than the 997.2, and that's a lot more important
The "major problems" you read about on the forums are mostly internet phenomena; talk to any Porsche specialist (except those selling preventive measures of course) and they will confirm.
If you believe all the internet-talk, you would not dare to buy any car whatsoever (997.2 has pdk-issues, I am sure there are plenty of "issues" to be found with 991's as well, etc. etc.).
Besides, the 997.1 sounds way better than the 997.2, and that's a lot more important
08-18-2018, 03:08 AM
#37
Nordschleife Master
This stuff isn't particularly mysterious guys.. 911 which cost less up front have reasons why. Like anything else you pay money for. You get the option of;
1. Paying more up front for a newer car (with a reliable engine that doesn't have known problems) and piece of mind
2. Paying less up front for an older car with a number of known engine problems which may not ever impact your ownership. The likelihood of those problems is small.
3. Paying less up front for an older car and doing preventative maintenance that may or may not protect you from an engine failure
IMS, bore scoring, timing chain failure..
Think of what'll happen if you have an engine failure. Its not like you just pay for your engine to be fixed.. you're going to be without use of your car for months, possibly even a year or two if you have it rebuilt by well known top talent engine builders. On the other hand there could be $15-20k difference in price. But if you have your engine rebuilt for $15k due to a failure did you save the money? Or did you just buy an older car and end up paying the same you could have paid for the newer car that will always be worth more money.
I certainly would not want to be driving around in a 997.1 that I paid $30k for initially, engine fails, cars down 8 months, pay $20k for a quality rebuild.. now I have a $50k 2007 Carrera S that I can sell for $36k...
1. Paying more up front for a newer car (with a reliable engine that doesn't have known problems) and piece of mind
2. Paying less up front for an older car with a number of known engine problems which may not ever impact your ownership. The likelihood of those problems is small.
3. Paying less up front for an older car and doing preventative maintenance that may or may not protect you from an engine failure
IMS, bore scoring, timing chain failure..
Think of what'll happen if you have an engine failure. Its not like you just pay for your engine to be fixed.. you're going to be without use of your car for months, possibly even a year or two if you have it rebuilt by well known top talent engine builders. On the other hand there could be $15-20k difference in price. But if you have your engine rebuilt for $15k due to a failure did you save the money? Or did you just buy an older car and end up paying the same you could have paid for the newer car that will always be worth more money.
I certainly would not want to be driving around in a 997.1 that I paid $30k for initially, engine fails, cars down 8 months, pay $20k for a quality rebuild.. now I have a $50k 2007 Carrera S that I can sell for $36k...
