Lubrecon

In my continuing search for a 2009 CS, C4S, or a Targa 4S, I note that most of the 2009 model year cars have build dates in late 2008, or very early 2009. I have seen very few 2009 cars that were actually built in 2009. When is the cut off date for 2009 cars and the beginning of the 2010 cars? Is this model year change date the same for each year? Are early 2009 cars, i.e., 2008 build dates more likely to have some condition that was corrected later in the production model year?

I have noted that some early 2009 cars have the HPFP problem, and in fact, a car that I am looking at has had that problem as well, corrected under warranty.

Just wondering if I should look harder for cars built later in 2009, or at the end of the model year cycle to avoid some common problems.

kyrocks

What is HPFP?

kyrocks

Fuel pump?

Lubrecon

Correct.

jakes dad

you may be correct but that's the first time I've heard of it...

Gj325

I have a Targa 4s 2009 that will be soon avail. I have agreed to trade but dealer says for $150.00 they could run thru them to save me tax on

Car is perfect 7200 on clock.

bloomjbmw

I am looking ahead to my next car and first P-Car. I think 997 Targa would be the perfect option for me. I wonder why the cabrio is so much more popular/common...

Gj325 - I am too new to Rennlist to PM but I would be curious to know what you are going to be looking for when you unload the 09.

StanThePorscheFan

I heard a rummor that the HPFP issue has been resolved towards the end of the' 09 run. There are people who have had soot issues (search it) with earlier 997.2s. There is another thing about oil consumption (some cars are real bad, others don't use any oil at all). I waited for the first run of '10 cars. However, if you find a nice example with no soot or oil consumption issues, dont let the possibility of a bad fuel pump break a deal. That can easily be taken care of under warranty. Its the cars with soot and/or oil issues that I presonally would try to avoid. Good luck with your search.


Thats cause those who are looking for an "open air motoring" effect prefer a cabrio. Porsche purists prefer rear wheel drive coupes. All targas are AWD. Plus Tragas have a higher center of gravity that is very niticable at play.That said, it is probably THE best daily driver and grand touring 911 out there.

Edgy01

Production years generally begin after the summer holidays in Germany. Sometime in August things start to pick up again for the FOLLOWING MY. The last cars for a given production year come out in early July for that year.

The High Pressure Fuel Pump probably was due to a vendor problem not meeting spec. It's clearly been resolved as you just don't hear about that issue for anyone in the MY10 lot.

Another issue for the DI engines are the injectors themselves. In fact, I think they are more prone to failure than the fuel pumps. With a count of 6 per assembly (vice 1 for the pumps) you have a better chance of an injector issue than a fuel pump issue. Those, too, are getting slowly sorted out. For those of you purchasing a MY09 car used, just be on your guard, particularly on low mileage cars which have not sorted out potential infant mortality problems with those components.

Nugget

I've always wondered why Porsche doesn't make a Turbo Targa -- it's a logical and obvious gap in their otherwise saturated 911 model lineup.

Edgy01

As you may recall Porsche used to make and sell a turbo targa. If you researched the numbers you would discover that few were ever sold. But since Porsche is in the business of making money, I would imagine that if you were a firmly established customer of Porsche you might be able to secure a very special order for one. (Porsche will do anything for a buck). With their modular designs it would not require any real significant unique engineering work to do it. After all, the targas today are all based upon the wider bodied cars so it's not a body accommodation issue.

Lubrecon

Thanks Dan, that was the information I was looking for. But the question remains as to why I RARELY see any late 2009 cars in the used market?

Lubrecon

Gj325, I have sent you a PM.

Edgy01

Keep in mind that many Carreras are leased. Lease periods probably dictate a 2-3 year period of performance--the 09 won't start to show up for a while.

kyrocks

I have an '09 C4S Cab that was built in Feb 2009 with 14000 miles and it's been great! I have never had to add oil in between the regular oil changes. My fuel pump has had no issues. I broke the car in appropriately and then have driven it like it's supposed to be driven. The tailpipes do occasionally get dark, but no excessive soot seen in previous posts. I guess some people got unlucky. Great cars. Just got the GT3 so the C4S is gonna see a little less road time...at least for now.