997 Speedster, it's here
09-22-2010, 12:40 AM
#47
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Quite a leap of logic and like a couple of your other truths, factually inaccurate - no big deal though.
This is one area where we probably tend to agree. The level and type of discussion has downgraded over the years. While your join date > mine, I don't recall you posting here (997 forum) much back when it was very busy (the days of OCBen). I recall logging on every day to find a screenful of new threads, and not of the "what wheels should I get" variety. 
I suspect soon you guys will be talking among yourselves. I notice that those who have something to say are posting less and less. These forums have changed dramatically over the years and the level of discussion (and topics discussed) is getting lower and lower. Do not worry, you will have the place for yourselves. 
09-22-2010, 01:14 AM
#48
"I recall logging on every day to find a screenful of new threads, and not of the "what wheels should I get" variety. "
TBH I prefer reading the 996 forum these days, since those guys actually drive the cars and work on them and have threads like "how to rebuild your tranny" as opposed to "does my deviated stitching look cool enough?" or "are you a devoted enough fan of the original 911 for Adias?"
TBH I prefer reading the 996 forum these days, since those guys actually drive the cars and work on them and have threads like "how to rebuild your tranny" as opposed to "does my deviated stitching look cool enough?" or "are you a devoted enough fan of the original 911 for Adias?"
09-22-2010, 01:56 AM
#49
To be honest, I am not impressed for only 1 reason: the price. Sorry, but I broke out laughing that the Speedster has a price over $200k, more than the last GT2. It is almost TWICE the price of a GTS Cab. I saw it is limited, the real question is if it is limited enough to attract enough buyers to blow an additional $90k over a GTS Cab to only get a lower windshield, hard tonneau and different rear bumper? How about this, why not buy a fully loaded Turbo S Cab and pocket the rest or 2 Boxster Spyders and swap 3.8l X51 engines in both for the same money? Sorry, but anyone willing to pay the asking price for this one is a sucker in my book. If the pricing was set reasonable like the 964 Speedster, I would be all for it. At this ridiculously inflated price, it is just a joke.
BTW, I feel the opposite about the GTS. For just $13k over the price of a regular Carrera S, you get a wider body, ground effects, an X51 engine ($17k option on the S), center lock spyder wheels ($3k on the turbo), Alcantara trim ($3k on the S). For how little this package is priced over a regular S, I can't see any reason to not spend the extra money on this package if you are looking to buy an S and are not looking to step up to a GT3.
BTW, I feel the opposite about the GTS. For just $13k over the price of a regular Carrera S, you get a wider body, ground effects, an X51 engine ($17k option on the S), center lock spyder wheels ($3k on the turbo), Alcantara trim ($3k on the S). For how little this package is priced over a regular S, I can't see any reason to not spend the extra money on this package if you are looking to buy an S and are not looking to step up to a GT3.
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09-22-2010, 02:47 AM
#50
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To be honest, I am not impressed for only 1 reason: the price. Sorry, but I broke out laughing that the Speedster has a price over $200k, more than the last GT2. It is almost TWICE the price of a GTS Cab. I saw it is limited, the real question is if it is limited enough to attract enough buyers to blow an additional $90k over a GTS Cab to only get a lower windshield, hard tonneau and different rear bumper? How about this, why not buy a fully loaded Turbo S Cab and pocket the rest or 2 Boxster Spyders and swap 3.8l X51 engines in both for the same money? Sorry, but anyone willing to pay the asking price for this one is a sucker in my book. If the pricing was set reasonable like the 964 Speedster, I would be all for it. At this ridiculously inflated price, it is just a joke.
BTW, I feel the opposite about the GTS. For just $13k over the price of a regular Carrera S, you get a wider body, ground effects, an X51 engine ($17k option on the S), center lock spyder wheels ($3k on the turbo), Alcantara trim ($3k on the S). For how little this package is priced over a regular S, I can't see any reason to not spend the extra money on this package if you are looking to buy an S and are not looking to step up to a GT3.
BTW, I feel the opposite about the GTS. For just $13k over the price of a regular Carrera S, you get a wider body, ground effects, an X51 engine ($17k option on the S), center lock spyder wheels ($3k on the turbo), Alcantara trim ($3k on the S). For how little this package is priced over a regular S, I can't see any reason to not spend the extra money on this package if you are looking to buy an S and are not looking to step up to a GT3.
09-22-2010, 10:15 AM
#51
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TBH I prefer reading the 996 forum these days, since those guys actually drive the cars and work on them and have threads like "how to rebuild your tranny" as opposed to "does my deviated stitching look cool enough?" or "are you a devoted enough fan of the original 911 for Adias?"
To be honest, I am not impressed for only 1 reason: the price. Sorry, but I broke out laughing that the Speedster has a price over $200k, more than the last GT2. It is almost TWICE the price of a GTS Cab. I saw it is limited, the real question is if it is limited enough to attract enough buyers to blow an additional $90k over a GTS Cab to only get a lower windshield, hard tonneau and different rear bumper? How about this, why not buy a fully loaded Turbo S Cab and pocket the rest or 2 Boxster Spyders and swap 3.8l X51 engines in both for the same money? Sorry, but anyone willing to pay the asking price for this one is a sucker in my book. If the pricing was set reasonable like the 964 Speedster, I would be all for it. At this ridiculously inflated price, it is just a joke.
BTW, I feel the opposite about the GTS. For just $13k over the price of a regular Carrera S, you get a wider body, ground effects, an X51 engine ($17k option on the S), center lock spyder wheels ($3k on the turbo), Alcantara trim ($3k on the S). For how little this package is priced over a regular S, I can't see any reason to not spend the extra money on this package if you are looking to buy an S and are not looking to step up to a GT3.
BTW, I feel the opposite about the GTS. For just $13k over the price of a regular Carrera S, you get a wider body, ground effects, an X51 engine ($17k option on the S), center lock spyder wheels ($3k on the turbo), Alcantara trim ($3k on the S). For how little this package is priced over a regular S, I can't see any reason to not spend the extra money on this package if you are looking to buy an S and are not looking to step up to a GT3.
09-22-2010, 02:37 PM
#52
As mentioned above, there are plenty of suckers out there. Lots of Porsche's special cars really are bargains, not just the GTS. The standard equipment on Turbo S gives it a price that is lower than the same equipment as options on a regular Turbo. You also get an extra 30 hp and more limited production as part of the deal. A GT3 is priced less than a Carrera S with 19" sport wheels, X51 engine option and aero kit. With the bigger brakes, better suspension, etc.; the GT3 is a true bargain in the lineup. The Speedster simply isn't. For a base price of over $200k, you don't even get a GT1/Metzner engine, adjustable suspension or even the bigger brakes from the GT2/GT3. If this was a topless GT3 RS, you might be able to stretch it to be a $200k car. Unfortunately, in this case there is simply no meat to justify the price. Although you have that wider body, you don't even get a wheel and tire combination like those that come on GT3 RS' or GT2 RS' to fill those fenders, just the same stock turbo sized Sport Classic Fuch wheels right out of the current parts catalog. I predict every on will lose 1/3 the resale the day it gets driven off the lot.
09-22-2010, 02:43 PM
#53
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As mentioned above, there are plenty of suckers out there. Lots of Porsche's special cars really are bargains, not just the GTS. The standard equipment on Turbo S gives it a price that is lower than the same equipment as options on a regular Turbo. You also get an extra 30 hp and more limited production as part of the deal. A GT3 is priced less than a Carrera S with 19" sport wheels, X51 engine option and aero kit. With the bigger brakes, better suspension, etc.; the GT3 is a true bargain in the lineup. The Speedster simply isn't. For a base price of over $200k, you don't even get a GT1/Metzner engine, adjustable suspension or even the bigger brakes from the GT2/GT3. If this was a topless GT3 RS, you might be able to stretch it to be a $200k car. Unfortunately, in this case there is simply no meat to justify the price. Although you have that wider body, you don't even get a wheel and tire combination like those that come on GT3 RS' or GT2 RS' to fill those fenders, just the same stock turbo sized Sport Classic Fuch wheels right out of the current parts catalog. I predict every on will lose 1/3 the resale the day it gets driven off the lot.
09-22-2010, 04:18 PM
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I guess its the end of the 997, they are going through the motions of the special editions to push em out.
Their pricing is outrageous though. But as others said, the people that buy them dont care and will buy it anyway. Porsche knows that they could sell a gold plated turd and people will buy them.
What else can you say?
Though I do have to say I think its cool but not 200K extra cool.
Their pricing is outrageous though. But as others said, the people that buy them dont care and will buy it anyway. Porsche knows that they could sell a gold plated turd and people will buy them.
What else can you say?
Though I do have to say I think its cool but not 200K extra cool.
09-22-2010, 08:20 PM
#56
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At a stated run of "only 356 will be made," I don't think you're going to see too many 997 Speedsters in Santa Barbara, Dan. Heck, most dealers won't even get an allotment of one!
I read that only 100 will make it to North America.
I read that only 100 will make it to North America.
Last edited by Leader; 09-22-2010 at 09:30 PM.
09-23-2010, 12:23 AM
#59
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I'm trying, but all I can think is...ugly. Seriously, seriously ugly. The Pontiac Aztec of Porsches. Truly.
Aside from the fact that it's redundant. Really, why not put a 911 motor in the (far more attractive) Boxster S and call it a Speedster? It's not like there's a real advantage to it being a 911 if you've taken the rear seats out. I suppose Porsche is banking on 911 owner egos to chose this over a Boxster S. Suckers.
Aside from the fact that it's redundant. Really, why not put a 911 motor in the (far more attractive) Boxster S and call it a Speedster? It's not like there's a real advantage to it being a 911 if you've taken the rear seats out. I suppose Porsche is banking on 911 owner egos to chose this over a Boxster S. Suckers.
09-23-2010, 12:33 AM
#60
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I really like the new Speedster... The Fuchs, the stone guards, and the low racking windshield and rear humps are a familiar throw-back. With that said, the price is shocking. Over $200K?
Also - I wish they offered it in manual without forcing PDK...
-B
Also - I wish they offered it in manual without forcing PDK...
-B