PDK
07-10-2010, 06:35 PM
#16
The PDK is incredible, don't know that I would ever go back to a 6-speed 911. Although, I did also really enjoy my 6-speeds.
07-10-2010, 06:40 PM
#17
Nordschleife Master
Anyone else here feel that PDK/Auto-manual/Dual-clutch transmissions are the end of Porsche (and all other fantastic cars for that matter)? For me, anything less than a six speed on a 911 is blasphemy! I fear the day when the manual transmission is completely replaced by 8 speed computers...
07-10-2010, 06:47 PM
#18
Race Director
Anybody read about the PDK race car that was built with full cup suspension etc. in the June 2010 issue of Excellence?
I drove the car yesterday at Calabogie. Very, very impressive. I left it in automatic the entire time. WOW is all I can say.
I love manuals but I'd have a hard time turning down PDK.
I drove the car yesterday at Calabogie. Very, very impressive. I left it in automatic the entire time. WOW is all I can say.
I love manuals but I'd have a hard time turning down PDK.
07-10-2010, 06:56 PM
#19
Nordschleife Master
Anybody read about the PDK race car that was built with full cup suspension etc. in the June 2010 issue of Excellence?
I drove the car yesterday at Calabogie. Very, very impressive. I left it in automatic the entire time. WOW is all I can say.
I love manuals but I'd have a hard time turning down PDK.
I drove the car yesterday at Calabogie. Very, very impressive. I left it in automatic the entire time. WOW is all I can say.
I love manuals but I'd have a hard time turning down PDK.
07-10-2010, 09:36 PM
#20
Race Director
Anybody read about the PDK race car that was built with full cup suspension etc. in the June 2010 issue of Excellence?
I drove the car yesterday at Calabogie. Very, very impressive. I left it in automatic the entire time. WOW is all I can say.
I love manuals but I'd have a hard time turning down PDK.
I drove the car yesterday at Calabogie. Very, very impressive. I left it in automatic the entire time. WOW is all I can say.
I love manuals but I'd have a hard time turning down PDK.
Do you know if they changed out to factory LSD? Also how are the PDK clutches holding up for them? Thanks!
07-10-2010, 10:05 PM
#21
Maybe when these PDKs get more sophisticated the designers can implement a missed shift mode, select the wrong gear mode, stall the engine mode, burn the clutch up in 20K miles mode, and once in a great while perform the "money shift" and take out the valves, to make the lovers of the old style 6-speed transmissions feel at home.
PDK is simply awesome and the 6 speed is awesome. We are lucky we live in a time when we have such things to argue over. Either choice is full of win. I love them both equally.
07-14-2010, 01:36 AM
#22
New Member with PDK question
What percent of each trans. is sold in Europe and the USA ? I heard that Porsche feels they'll be selling only pdk's in 5 years. A guy I know was at a training seminar recently and the group was surveyed afterward : PDK or 6-speed. The trainees were split but the instructors all selected the pdk.
I pick up my new c4s tomorrow (w/ pdk, trade is c4 man.). It's a efficiency and speed issue. There are still guys who love 3 speed column shifters and 2 speed autos; they drive old Nova's and Dodges but who's checking the details ?
I pick up my new c4s tomorrow (w/ pdk, trade is c4 man.). It's a efficiency and speed issue. There are still guys who love 3 speed column shifters and 2 speed autos; they drive old Nova's and Dodges but who's checking the details ?
07-14-2010, 09:32 AM
#23
Race Director
Fair enough. I'm certainly not here to trash PDK. For intents and purposes it is a better transmission. I've driven all manner of auto-manual transmissions from PDK to DSG to SMG. I hate them all. I don't find manual better than PDK, just more enjoyable. What I dislike is that fact that more and more cars come without the option of a manual transmission. Given the choice, I would actually pay more for a manual.
Maybe when these PDKs get more sophisticated the designers can implement a missed shift mode, select the wrong gear mode, stall the engine mode, burn the clutch up in 20K miles mode, and once in a great while perform the "money shift" and take out the valves, to make the lovers of the old style 6-speed transmissions feel at home.
Sincerely,
Macster.
07-14-2010, 11:18 AM
#24
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When I was looking for a car, I was set on a tip but after driving it for a bit I was not sold on it and bought the 6-speed. The only thing that bothered me with the tip was the sloooow gear change. PDK has solved that and the next porker I buy will be a PDK (with paddles).
If you see the reviews like Top Gear of the PDK cars they basically make out that it's slower than the 6-speed. That's only because they are used to the ferrari paddles and find the Porsche version different.
Porsche will still offer a 6-speed while it remains a popular option. In recent history, something like 70% of 911s are sold with 6-speed. Let's see how that changes over time - if people keep buying the 6-speed then why wouldn't they sell it?
If you see the reviews like Top Gear of the PDK cars they basically make out that it's slower than the 6-speed. That's only because they are used to the ferrari paddles and find the Porsche version different.
Porsche will still offer a 6-speed while it remains a popular option. In recent history, something like 70% of 911s are sold with 6-speed. Let's see how that changes over time - if people keep buying the 6-speed then why wouldn't they sell it?
07-14-2010, 11:36 AM
#26
Race Director
Full cage. LW flywheel. Factory PDK w/LSD. A smattering of Cup suspension parts.
PDK seems ok. I only drove it for 30 min.
They did have some computer glitches but they seem to have resolved them.
The car drove beautifully.
The owner told me that even though his PDK car is heavily modified and very quick, a bone stock 997.2 RS is still faster.
A PDK GT3 would be very interesting, and tempting, indeed.
07-14-2010, 10:37 PM
#27
Race Director
The car is pretty incredible.
Full cage. LW flywheel. Factory PDK w/LSD. A smattering of Cup suspension parts.
PDK seems ok. I only drove it for 30 min.
They did have some computer glitches but they seem to have resolved them.
The car drove beautifully.
The owner told me that even though his PDK car is heavily modified and very quick, a bone stock 997.2 RS is still faster.
A PDK GT3 would be very interesting, and tempting, indeed.
Full cage. LW flywheel. Factory PDK w/LSD. A smattering of Cup suspension parts.
PDK seems ok. I only drove it for 30 min.
They did have some computer glitches but they seem to have resolved them.
The car drove beautifully.
The owner told me that even though his PDK car is heavily modified and very quick, a bone stock 997.2 RS is still faster.
A PDK GT3 would be very interesting, and tempting, indeed.
Do you know what he did for the factory LSD as they are not lasting more than a few laps according to the GT3 and GT3RS guys? Also the Cayman S spec racers claim the factory LSD clutch is not lasting.
I agree a PDK GT3 would be interesting...hopefully for my situation Porsche will do a PDK GT3 car.
07-14-2010, 10:59 PM
#28
Nordschleife Master
I just found out that the GT3/RS LSDs are not the same as those in the PDK transaxles.
07-14-2010, 11:17 PM
#29
Race Director