As an ex 928 owner I can't help but be amused at the turn this thread has taken.

 

One thing that 993 and 997 owners have in common. They love bashing Corvettes!!!

I find these threads fun reading.

BTW, I am a fan of all three!

 

That was my first thought until I read the usual posts from our friend in Texas who, for some reason, seems hell bent on instigating fights in every single thread he enters.

As an ex-951 owner, recognizing your thinly veiled comment for what it is... I am also amused. Two 911 camps fighting amongst each other instead of bashing the front engined "waterpumpers."

At the end of the day, Im not sure why these thread degrade so quickly.

We're all here for the same basic reason - we love P-cars. Whats the friggen problem?

Some people like the older cars, some people like the newer cars.

For my own part, I'd love to have a 997. Ive driven many; they are absolutely fun cars and for all the comments about them being "soft," I have to disagree. They are sharp as a razor and, drivers being equal, run circles around all prior models.

I chose a 993 for two primary reasons:

First, It took me about 20 minutes, after the truck drove off, to realize that selling my 88 was a mistake. The 993 is the same damned car with more engine, power steering and A/C that actually works. Smells the same, drives the same, feels the same, sounds the same. You can get out of a '69 and get into a '96 and everything is familiar. I love it. Its a "modern old car."

Second, I can't afford to spend $90,000 on a sports car. I dont see why I should "look down" on those who can or why they (coughposterinquestion) would look down on me because I can't.

Hell, I'd also like a pristine '69 S but, like I said... $90,000 is a bit steep for me.


You can laugh right back at them. Anyone who bashes the newer Vettes (C5/C6) needs a head examination.

Why... just a few weekends back, I gave but a single point-by. To what you might ask? A brand-spanking new Z06, of course. Monster car.

By contrast, the beautiful, white 997 GT3 probably got tired of allowing my lowly Volkswagon to continuously squirt by.


Lighten up people... we're all here for the same reason....











We all hate those rich ****er's in their Italian POS's.

 

then you'll love this thread i started on the kool-aid board.

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...mographic.html

have fun

Craig

 

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That is their main problem. I used to say it felt like I had a 2-speed or 3-speed transmission -- hardly ever got to use 4-6 in normal driving. Not so the 997.

 

The 993 with its working AC and power steering is truly the most modern of the old Porsches. However, it is an old car itself and time does march on.

My 14,800-mile 2005 997 Carrera S, nicely optioned, cost me less (in 12/2009) than my 12,000-mile '98 993 C4S did (in 6/2004) both 5 years old at time of purchase.

Regarding the $, one could argue first year vs final year, collectibility, etc. but as a car that I use, the 997 is far more satisfying and cost less $ to buy. The fact that they make more 997s and they depreciate rapidly makes great cars accessible on the used market for great prices.

 

I agree. The danger is once you fix that problem and add a RS LWF/clutch, they really become amazing to drive

I'll never sell mine, but I probably will add a 997S as a DD someday.

Cheers,
Joe

 

I agree with your sentiments. They appeal to my logical and practical side. However, there is a...call it sentimental...side to me that is very drawn to things like aircooled Porsches, vintage watches and film photography. As time does march on and things become more mass-produced and sterile, some of us become more drawn to things that are more "handcrafted" and that have that certain romantic "quality" of times gone by. It doesn't take away from the appeal of new tech and some of us can appreciate both for their distinct qualities.

 

To that list, you can also add vinyl records, tube amplifiers and good '50s-'70s Smith & Wesson revolvers...mechanical masterpieces in their own right.

We seem to be drawn to things that are analog and mechanical perhaps because as they become "obsolete" and uneconomical to produce, they also become less accessible and increasingly more desireable?

 

You're very correct. I tried out several cars with standard OEM gears but eventually lucked up on one where the PO had installed LWF, RS clutch and a revised gearset. Thanks to Rennlist comments, I actually passed on several lower mileage 993's and bought my current model because of the way it drove. The above mods along with replacing the Monroe shocks with Bilsteins and an M030 package fixed the performace issues I didn't like. I bought it at market value without paying for the gearset upgrade. Bill was kind enough to graph my gearset. The improvement in in rpm drop after 2nd is clearly obvious. I'd love to get a 997S but that will have to wait until my garage space grows.

I drive an M5 as my daily driver and even after getting out of that car with 400HP, I don't find the 993 down on power. It's not a drag racer, but it does exactly what the engineers designed it to do. Actually, I find I really appreciate what the engineers were able to get out of 282 HP. IMO

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...utobonrun.html

 

Fool? You mean I'm a fool because I corrected some know it all 993 driver on the proper weight of a 997? Which he claimed was some big fat overweight pig of a car? When actually its the same weight as his beloved 993?

Or defended the 997 from the typical bashing from 993 owners? Things like the 997 has no soul, or it drives like a Lexus, or that its not hand built, or its not a real Porsche, or its quality sucks (JD Powers disagrees) or that 997 owners only buy Porsches because its a status symbol? Or my favorite, that the 997 is too fast to enjoy. Right?

 

Throw in Rolex/mechanical watches. No logical reason for them except for pure enjoyment.

 

You do know this was said about 993s circa 1995 when we all had torsion bar cars? And was said about 911s when I got mine in 1980, coming from the 356 faithful. Rinse and repeat when the 997s have depreciated and are looked at as a worthless POS by the kids now high school who will be buying 9whatevers in 2025...........

 

I just can't decide which I like the best!

 

Exactly. You get it. Some 993 owners don't.