Drove a 993 today! Wow..
04-16-2010, 04:09 PM
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But the thing to understand is that most every one of the older cars has been screwed around with by this point in time. So that 8:46 with 2010 thought on how to set the thing up probably becomes an 8:25 car. What you're getting for your bucks is that the new car, off the shelf, is both faster than our old POS cars AND can function even better as a plush won't-spill-the-coffee commuter.
04-16-2010, 04:47 PM
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Agreed, but that doesn't mean they are even remotely similar. Technically the Hyundai Genesis is as close as a Hyundai gets to an F430 too.
BTW, I must say that the ISF has one of the most nicely finished interiors I've ever seen, just screams quality. The fake, unconnected exhaust tips are an epic fail though.
Teh Googles say:
Nurburgring.
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - 1997 Porsche 993 Turbo
8:46 --- 140.99 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera S
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y
And not that a 911 owner could care less about 0-60 times but:
2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.4
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter mile 12.1
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Porsche...mph-Times.html
As I said before, I have owned the cars in question and I'm not at all biased or saying which one is better (subjective), just which one is faster (objective). My ideal garage has a 993 and a longhood along with a modern Carrera.
BTW, I must say that the ISF has one of the most nicely finished interiors I've ever seen, just screams quality. The fake, unconnected exhaust tips are an epic fail though.
Teh Googles say:
Nurburgring.
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - 1997 Porsche 993 Turbo
8:46 --- 140.99 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera S
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y
And not that a 911 owner could care less about 0-60 times but:
2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.4
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter mile 12.1
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Porsche...mph-Times.html
As I said before, I have owned the cars in question and I'm not at all biased or saying which one is better (subjective), just which one is faster (objective). My ideal garage has a 993 and a longhood along with a modern Carrera.
04-16-2010, 04:57 PM
#78
Well we all love our cars and I can understand (if not agree) why some people get defensive about their choices. "Better" is objective and there is no correct answer which is why this stuff will be argued until the end of time.
What amuses me is remembering when the 993 came out and everyone using the exact same arguments.
Damn 993 is a piece of crap, drives like a Cadillac!!! No real 911 has power steering! Way too soft, fat and heavy to be a sports car. etc.
What amuses me is remembering when the 993 came out and everyone using the exact same arguments.
Damn 993 is a piece of crap, drives like a Cadillac!!! No real 911 has power steering! Way too soft, fat and heavy to be a sports car. etc.
04-16-2010, 05:54 PM
#79
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Agreed, but that doesn't mean they are even remotely similar. Technically the Hyundai Genesis is as close as a Hyundai gets to an F430 too.
BTW, I must say that the ISF has one of the most nicely finished interiors I've ever seen, just screams quality. The fake, unconnected exhaust tips are an epic fail though.
Teh Googles say:
Nurburgring.
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - 1997 Porsche 993 Turbo
8:46 --- 140.99 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera S
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y
And not that a 911 owner could care less about 0-60 times but:
2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.4
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter mile 12.1
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Porsche...mph-Times.html
As I said before, I have owned the cars in question and I'm not at all biased or saying which one is better (subjective), just which one is faster (objective). My ideal garage has a 993 and a longhood along with a modern Carrera.
BTW, I must say that the ISF has one of the most nicely finished interiors I've ever seen, just screams quality. The fake, unconnected exhaust tips are an epic fail though.
Teh Googles say:
Nurburgring.
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S
8:12 --- 150.73 km/h - 1997 Porsche 993 Turbo
8:46 --- 140.99 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera S
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y
And not that a 911 owner could care less about 0-60 times but:
2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.4
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter mile 12.1
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Porsche...mph-Times.html
As I said before, I have owned the cars in question and I'm not at all biased or saying which one is better (subjective), just which one is faster (objective). My ideal garage has a 993 and a longhood along with a modern Carrera.
The 8:46 time is about 14 seconds slower than the wikipedia time I got for the 993s. Lot of variability there for sure.
As for the 0-60, you can certainly see which one is faster ,and it ain't the 997
Either way, both cars have their strong points, and I don't deny that the 997s is a good performer.
04-17-2010, 02:55 AM
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993 fanboys do indeed have a great 911 - no doubt. But a bit too much koolaid as well.
04-17-2010, 03:07 AM
#82
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Loved my 993. Love my 997 C2S. . . .
Ultimately, my 997 is fully 10 sec a lap faster around Laguna Seca, and it has nav, more comfy seats and better HVAC. It's faster than a stock 993TT, especially is there are any corners involved. The only complaint I have is that the GT3 nose scrapes easily.
Ultimately, my 997 is fully 10 sec a lap faster around Laguna Seca, and it has nav, more comfy seats and better HVAC. It's faster than a stock 993TT, especially is there are any corners involved. The only complaint I have is that the GT3 nose scrapes easily.
My solution is I want both. Badly. I have still not heard a water-cooled 911 that sounds and smells like a 993. That said, the 997S is the bomb.
04-17-2010, 12:18 PM
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Chuck W. that is a seriously awesome car! If I had that car in my garage I would tear down the wall between garage and living room and make it glass..then I would invest in some serious garage lighting 
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Seriously now: Wouldn't it be great if we could have a garage with 4-5 different 911s? Wake up, take your pick kind of thing.. (although some of the guys here actually have that!)
I would probably want
- 993 C4S manual
- 997 C2S PDK
- 997 Turbo PDK
- 997 GT3 / RS manual by default
- 964 Turbo manual
)))Seriously now: Wouldn't it be great if we could have a garage with 4-5 different 911s? Wake up, take your pick kind of thing.. (although some of the guys here actually have that!)
I would probably want
- 993 C4S manual
- 997 C2S PDK
- 997 Turbo PDK
- 997 GT3 / RS manual by default
- 964 Turbo manual
04-17-2010, 12:41 PM
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yes, selling off my stuffed animal collection to pay for the next car.
04-17-2010, 12:42 PM
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04-17-2010, 12:49 PM
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oh yeah.
many 993 guys (which i had two as well) find the newer cars are softer than they prefer "raw" feel. saying it and doing it are different things. i had a lotus exige, (zero rear visibility, i mean ZERO) and i had nitron adj suspension on it, set to track settig. beside tracking the **** out of it, i put 25000 miles on it in 8 months. i also commute to downtown SF in a fully race prepped but street reg'd SM for a year. if you want raw and FUN to drive, ditch the 993 and get one of those two cars i mentioned. i am amazed my ***** are still attached to me after all that bumping over the pot holes of SF financial district.
many 993 guys (which i had two as well) find the newer cars are softer than they prefer "raw" feel. saying it and doing it are different things. i had a lotus exige, (zero rear visibility, i mean ZERO) and i had nitron adj suspension on it, set to track settig. beside tracking the **** out of it, i put 25000 miles on it in 8 months. i also commute to downtown SF in a fully race prepped but street reg'd SM for a year. if you want raw and FUN to drive, ditch the 993 and get one of those two cars i mentioned. i am amazed my ***** are still attached to me after all that bumping over the pot holes of SF financial district.
04-17-2010, 12:51 PM
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As for the discussion; I'll never sell my 993. BUt I really want a 997.2 PDK for the daily...
04-17-2010, 01:22 PM
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The comment you are about to read is a JOKE. Please take it as such:
So, if the 993 folks are drinking koolaide... does that mean the 997 fols are drinking watered down koolaide?
I crack myself up
As I said previously (think I posted as FD Motorsports) I love the 997 and will have one eventually. Actually, some of my best friends are 997s...
So, if the 993 folks are drinking koolaide... does that mean the 997 fols are drinking watered down koolaide?
I crack myself up
As I said previously (think I posted as FD Motorsports) I love the 997 and will have one eventually. Actually, some of my best friends are 997s...
04-17-2010, 01:22 PM
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As a 993 guy who slams the kool-aid right out of the pitcher, I would only be too happy to imbibe from the 997.2 PDK fountain as well. Stunning looks; stunning technology.