That Smell!!!
02-12-2010, 01:31 PM
#31
02-12-2010, 02:14 PM
#32
Burning Brakes
For a seemingly smart guy, you make some awfully dumb posts.
A 997 is a luxury GT car, not a pure sports car. There is simply zero reason for it to have odd smells after say 5k miles.
If this were a stripped down race car, you would certainly have a point...but considering the nature of a 997, you don't.
A 997 is a luxury GT car, not a pure sports car. There is simply zero reason for it to have odd smells after say 5k miles.
If this were a stripped down race car, you would certainly have a point...but considering the nature of a 997, you don't.
a high performance car designed to be raced/run hard.
You simply cannot compare a 911 of any sort to a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW,
Cadillac, Bentley, or other "Luxury car" manufacturer. These two entirely dissimilar types of vehicles were engineered and designed to have completely different functions.
A 911 will not provide a "comfortable" ride -- a luxury car will.
A luxury car will not carve a road, accelerate very briskly, and brake on a dime -- a 911 will.
As a result, each type of vehicle will have its own set of characteristics--some good, some "bad."
The "smell" is part of the 997 make-up. Not by design, just a result of
the engineering put into a high performance vehicle.
In addition, your off the cuff comment of calling me a "snotty kid" does
nothing to improve your credibility and I suggest you do your research about
me and others on this board before you put into writing future unfounded statements.
02-12-2010, 02:23 PM
#33
Race Director
You are completely off base by suggesting a 997 is a luxury car and not
a high performance car designed to be raced/run hard.
You simply cannot compare a 911 of any sort to a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW,
Cadillac, Bentley, or other "Luxury car" manufacturer. These two entirely dissimilar types of vehicles were engineered and designed to have completely different functions.
A 911 will not provide a "comfortable" ride -- a luxury car will.
A luxury car will not carve a road, accelerate very briskly, and brake on a dime -- a 911 will.
As a result, each type of vehicle will have its own set of characteristics--some good, some "bad."
The "smell" is part of the 997 make-up. Not by design, just a result of
the engineering put into a high performance vehicle.
In addition, your off the cuff comment of calling me a "snotty kid" does
nothing to improve your credibility and I suggest you do your research about
me and others on this board before you put into writing future unfounded statements.
a high performance car designed to be raced/run hard.
You simply cannot compare a 911 of any sort to a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW,
Cadillac, Bentley, or other "Luxury car" manufacturer. These two entirely dissimilar types of vehicles were engineered and designed to have completely different functions.
A 911 will not provide a "comfortable" ride -- a luxury car will.
A luxury car will not carve a road, accelerate very briskly, and brake on a dime -- a 911 will.
As a result, each type of vehicle will have its own set of characteristics--some good, some "bad."
The "smell" is part of the 997 make-up. Not by design, just a result of
the engineering put into a high performance vehicle.
In addition, your off the cuff comment of calling me a "snotty kid" does
nothing to improve your credibility and I suggest you do your research about
me and others on this board before you put into writing future unfounded statements.
Secondly, I stated that the 997 is a luxury GT car, in the same vein as an aston martin. Just like an Aston martin, it is well crafted and finished, and accelerates, brakes, and handles quite well. However, it is no longer the 911 it once was. Its significantly larger in all areas, its softer, quieter, more comfortable, more technology laden, and heavier.
In fact, with a tiptronic, I don't consider the 997 that far removed from an SL55 or similar.
So wait, the "smell is not by design", yet it is "the result of the engineering of a high performance vehicle". So the smell is not designed in, but its the result of engineering? Why don't all high performance cars smell then? Care to explain that?
Were we talking about a GT3-RS or even the standard GT3, I'd agree that the OP's statements would be a touch ridiculous. A standard 997? There should be no smell after the first few k miles, period.
02-12-2010, 09:56 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
Firstly, I've seen enough of your posts (see: Corvette) to have formed a very solid opinion of you, and its not in the least bit positive.
Secondly, I stated that the 997 is a luxury GT car, in the same vein as an aston martin. Just like an Aston martin, it is well crafted and finished, and accelerates, brakes, and handles quite well. However, it is no longer the 911 it once was. Its significantly larger in all areas, its softer, quieter, more comfortable, more technology laden, and heavier.
In fact, with a tiptronic, I don't consider the 997 that far removed from an SL55 or similar.
So wait, the "smell is not by design", yet it is "the result of the engineering of a high performance vehicle". So the smell is not designed in, but its the result of engineering? Why don't all high performance cars smell then? Care to explain that?
Were we talking about a GT3-RS or even the standard GT3, I'd agree that the OP's statements would be a touch ridiculous. A standard 997? There should be no smell after the first few k miles, period.
Secondly, I stated that the 997 is a luxury GT car, in the same vein as an aston martin. Just like an Aston martin, it is well crafted and finished, and accelerates, brakes, and handles quite well. However, it is no longer the 911 it once was. Its significantly larger in all areas, its softer, quieter, more comfortable, more technology laden, and heavier.
In fact, with a tiptronic, I don't consider the 997 that far removed from an SL55 or similar.
So wait, the "smell is not by design", yet it is "the result of the engineering of a high performance vehicle". So the smell is not designed in, but its the result of engineering? Why don't all high performance cars smell then? Care to explain that?
Were we talking about a GT3-RS or even the standard GT3, I'd agree that the OP's statements would be a touch ridiculous. A standard 997? There should be no smell after the first few k miles, period.
02-12-2010, 10:26 PM
#37
Burning Brakes
02-12-2010, 10:36 PM
#39
Race Director
) compared to other high performance cars is that the engine is in the rear. Because of the design of the exhaust plumbing, the cats and particularly the mufflers sit in the wheel wells right the tires. High horsepower means high heat and the exhaust tract in a Porsche is particularly short so those parts get pretty damn hot. When brake dust, bits of rubber from the tires, road oil and tar, etc. etc. get thrown up on the exhaust they really "cook" and you get your smell. I don't see it as a negative, it's just part of the ambiance of owning a 911.
02-12-2010, 11:51 PM
#40
Burning Brakes
who cares. if you don't think the smell is not right bitch at the dealer. You bought one and you drive one if it doesn't work for you don't gripe at those of us that like it.Just sell it and leave.. Troll...
02-13-2010, 12:17 AM
#41
Burning Brakes
If you buy a pair of black bespoke shell cordovan shoes and
you realize they don't match your navy blue Brooks Brothers suit,
don't blame the shoe manufacturer. Instead, buy a different
color shoe.
02-13-2010, 09:42 AM
#42
Race Director
I'm not choosing sides in the back and forth here but thought I'd respond to your specific question. I think a big part of why 911's "smell" (I consider it more like perfume ) compared to other high performance cars is that the engine is in the rear. Because of the design of the exhaust plumbing, the cats and particularly the mufflers sit in the wheel wells right the tires. High horsepower means high heat and the exhaust tract in a Porsche is particularly short so those parts get pretty damn hot. When brake dust, bits of rubber from the tires, road oil and tar, etc. etc. get thrown up on the exhaust they really "cook" and you get your smell. I don't see it as a negative, it's just part of the ambiance of owning a 911.
) compared to other high performance cars is that the engine is in the rear. Because of the design of the exhaust plumbing, the cats and particularly the mufflers sit in the wheel wells right the tires. High horsepower means high heat and the exhaust tract in a Porsche is particularly short so those parts get pretty damn hot. When brake dust, bits of rubber from the tires, road oil and tar, etc. etc. get thrown up on the exhaust they really "cook" and you get your smell. I don't see it as a negative, it's just part of the ambiance of owning a 911.Why didn't Porsche simply extend the wheel well and add some heat shielding.
I'd definitely have a chat with the dealer.
02-13-2010, 12:27 PM
#43
I adapted by parking it just outside it's garage slot and opening lid to let it cool. Then I manually push it into the garage because I don't want to start it.
02-13-2010, 12:51 PM
#44
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Seal Beach, SOUTHERN california
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
4 Posts
I'm not choosing sides in the back and forth here but thought I'd respond to your specific question. I think a big part of why 911's "smell" (I consider it more like perfume ) compared to other high performance cars is that the engine is in the rear. Because of the design of the exhaust plumbing, the cats and particularly the mufflers sit in the wheel wells right the tires. High horsepower means high heat and the exhaust tract in a Porsche is particularly short so those parts get pretty damn hot. When brake dust, bits of rubber from the tires, road oil and tar, etc. etc. get thrown up on the exhaust they really "cook" and you get your smell. I don't see it as a negative, it's just part of the ambiance of owning a 911.
) compared to other high performance cars is that the engine is in the rear. Because of the design of the exhaust plumbing, the cats and particularly the mufflers sit in the wheel wells right the tires. High horsepower means high heat and the exhaust tract in a Porsche is particularly short so those parts get pretty damn hot. When brake dust, bits of rubber from the tires, road oil and tar, etc. etc. get thrown up on the exhaust they really "cook" and you get your smell. I don't see it as a negative, it's just part of the ambiance of owning a 911.
The following users liked this post:
dasael (10-24-2020)
02-13-2010, 02:28 PM
#45
Race Director
BTW, this isn't something new with the watercooled cars. My '84 Carrera also had the Porsche aroma. You never noticed it with your 993? If you did, then you know it's just part of the Porsche experience, not a flaw. If you don't like it, you have the option to own something else. Personally, I like it, feel it's a connection to the past, and would feel like something was lost if Porsche somehow engineered it away.