X51 - Worth the price?
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Those that have new S & 4S cars w/ PDK don't seem to complain about lack of power at all.
Don't order the X51. Just get the regular set-up w/ PDK. I imagine it will be more than you will ever need, and you will love it to death.
If you really want to spend 12 grand on a worthwhile upgrade, buy me a supercharger! jk
Don't order the X51. Just get the regular set-up w/ PDK. I imagine it will be more than you will ever need, and you will love it to death.
If you really want to spend 12 grand on a worthwhile upgrade, buy me a supercharger! jk
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Ok, so here's what happened. I called up my dealer to tell him I may be interested in getting the X51 package on my C4S build. He called me crazy a few times, as the sticker for the car was over $150k, and told me he'd call me back in a few minutes. He called up Atlanta for me, and apparently, they have confirmed that the MY2010 911 Turbo will have the Tip replaced with PDK. I removed my deposit for the C4S and placed it on a Turbo. The car is a November build with a December delivery. Guides aren't out yet, so in a few weeks, when they do come out, I'll option it out and go from there. I think I'm going to be much happier this way - I get a car thats a model up for the same price, you can't beat that. Thanks to everyone for your help.
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Aside from the upgraded internals--revised cylinder heads and camshafts with more aggressive profiles. You can add on just about all X51 components yourself for a hell of a lot less than the upcharge at the stealer and nearly get to the same added hp.
X51 Headers
X51 Airbox
Throttle Body and bare metal intake plenum
ECU Flash
Porsche Sport Exhaust
This, of course, pertains to the 997.1 power kit so I'm not sure if all equipment listed will fall into your .2 build.
Good Luck...sounds like a great car either way.
X51 Headers
X51 Airbox
Throttle Body and bare metal intake plenum
ECU Flash
Porsche Sport Exhaust
This, of course, pertains to the 997.1 power kit so I'm not sure if all equipment listed will fall into your .2 build.
Good Luck...sounds like a great car either way.
Dave
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I'm about to add X51 to a C4S build and thought I'd get some opinions on it before I do. It seems like a huge cost, but when you factor in the parts separately, the fact that you don't need the $3k sports exhaust, and that Porsche often times underrates performance numbers, it seems like a good idea.
Is it worth the price of admission tho (it'll cost me ~$12k)? Is the power gain noticeable? Does it give it a nicer sound? Better throttle response (heard lighter parts in engine = better response time)? Do I still retain the option to turn the sport exhaust on and off? Any info you can give me so I don't wind up making a costly mistake would be appreciated.
Is it worth the price of admission tho (it'll cost me ~$12k)? Is the power gain noticeable? Does it give it a nicer sound? Better throttle response (heard lighter parts in engine = better response time)? Do I still retain the option to turn the sport exhaust on and off? Any info you can give me so I don't wind up making a costly mistake would be appreciated.
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I am really confused? With the 997.2 C4S, there currently is no X51 kit available. In fact, the new 997.2 S models make more HP and torque than the 997.1 X51. In fact, you would have basically been screwed if you had ordered an 08' X51 when the 09's came out as you would have paid an additional $17K for less performance.
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Now look at upgrading the suspension to adjustable coilovers with camber plates, adjustable sway bars, adjustable control arms and monoballs on the lower pickup points; all of which the 997.2 GT3 come with. That is only another $6-7K. Go further and upgrade the brakes to 997.1 PCCBs to get braking similar to a 997.2 GT3. Figure $5-6k for this upgrade with steel rotors. The 2010 GT3 uses the same diameter brakes disks and as the 997.1 GT3 PCCB kit standard. It even comes with floating rotors standard. PCCBs is now literally just a rotor material upgrade. Finally, spend another $7K on and aerokit (of course standard on a GT3).
So what does this give you? Close to GT3 performance in something that is not a GT3. Bottom line is stop dreaming and get the complete package: a GT3.
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I just research and this is what I found:
Price is 12K Euros.
So the changes are reduced with no longer upgraded cams and headers as previous X51 options. Price is similar to 997.1 for Euro version so US should be in a similar $15K range. Sounds like milled or ported heads, intake system and sports exhaust. Given the power increase from aftermarket dual filter intake kits and primary muffler bypasses, I would skip the power kit.
Engine upgrade to 300 kW (408 bhp). Comprises modified cylinder heads, carbon-fibre air filter casing (upper part), new double resonance intake manifold, sports exhaust system featuring specially designed twin dual-tube tailpipes and modified engine management. Note: also available in conjunction with PDK.
So the changes are reduced with no longer upgraded cams and headers as previous X51 options. Price is similar to 997.1 for Euro version so US should be in a similar $15K range. Sounds like milled or ported heads, intake system and sports exhaust. Given the power increase from aftermarket dual filter intake kits and primary muffler bypasses, I would skip the power kit.
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X51 and PDK will be an awesome combination, different from a GT3 and suiting a different purpose.
Having owned a 996 X51 and being sufficiently impressed (actually my wife wanted it, after doing PSDS) with it to buy a 997 X51 which I owned alongside a GTX car, I can tell you the X51 is a very misunderstood package; easily dismissed by those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing". If you are going to trade the car quickly, the X51 is expensive but if you keep the car awhile, it is worth the money.
I expect the new X51 will continue the tradition and be surprised if it doesn't, it will be awesome on the track too, and have the advantage over the GT3 by being a daily driver. Of course, it is in no way as hardcore as a GT3.
X51 and PDK will be an awesome combination, different from a GT3 and suiting a different purpose.
Having owned a 996 X51 and being sufficiently impressed (actually my wife wanted it, after doing PSDS) with it to buy a 997 X51 which I owned alongside a GTX car, I can tell you the X51 is a very misunderstood package; easily dismissed by those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing". If you are going to trade the car quickly, the X51 is expensive but if you keep the car awhile, it is worth the money.
I expect the new X51 will continue the tradition and be surprised if it doesn't, it will be awesome on the track too, and have the advantage over the GT3 by being a daily driver. Of course, it is in no way as hardcore as a GT3.
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X51 and PDK will be an awesome combination, different from a GT3 and suiting a different purpose.
Having owned a 996 X51 and being sufficiently impressed (actually my wife wanted it, after doing PSDS) with it to buy a 997 X51 which I owned alongside a GTX car, I can tell you the X51 is a very misunderstood package; easily dismissed by those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing". If you are going to trade the car quickly, the X51 is expensive but if you keep the car awhile, it is worth the money.
I expect the new X51 will continue the tradition and be surprised if it doesn't, it will be awesome on the track too, and have the advantage over the GT3 by being a daily driver. Of course, it is in no way as hardcore as a GT3.
X51 and PDK will be an awesome combination, different from a GT3 and suiting a different purpose.
Having owned a 996 X51 and being sufficiently impressed (actually my wife wanted it, after doing PSDS) with it to buy a 997 X51 which I owned alongside a GTX car, I can tell you the X51 is a very misunderstood package; easily dismissed by those who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing". If you are going to trade the car quickly, the X51 is expensive but if you keep the car awhile, it is worth the money.
I expect the new X51 will continue the tradition and be surprised if it doesn't, it will be awesome on the track too, and have the advantage over the GT3 by being a daily driver. Of course, it is in no way as hardcore as a GT3.
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BUT according to Excellence--February 2006. Page 57. Discussing the X51 Power Kit....
" revised cylinder heads, new exhaust headers, camshafts with more aggressive profiles, a different Varioram intake plenum and new Bosch Motronic engine management............."