View Poll Results: Which of the following 2 PDK wheel designs would you choose?
Current PDK wheel with buttons
42
42.42%
Optional wheel with "Left Down" & "Right up" paddles behind the wheel.
57
57.58%
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The Paddles vs Buttons
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I'm sorry Chris and Ben if you can't get your head around intuitive design as a concept. Thankfully you're not designers, so we don;t have to put up with anything you might have designed. And I would guess you would both hate anything designed by Apple or Garmin as too simple and too obvious and frustrating in that you don;t need to read an instruction book. But each to his own. I'm going to keep calling out non intuitive design when I find it.
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That's the best you can do to justify the back-assward design of the Italian multiple levers?
Oh, and I already told you once before that I'm a designer. Remember the lobster discussion?
Besides, your beef is with the Porsche designers, who deemed this an intuitive design. Not with us.
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I didn't vote because my next 997 will be a manual...
...but my daily driver is an auto-manual with 'left down, right up' paddles. I have driven a PDK car, and while I'm sure it is easy to get used to (and infinitely better than the Tiptronic buttons), I think it would be annoying to have two cars with such different operation. Some uniformity among manufacturers would be nice.
Regarding 'intuition', regardless of what I drive, I find that 90% of the time I only have my left hand on the wheel. For my 'left down, right up' paddle shifting car, that means 90% of the time I use the left paddle for downshifts, and the floor shifter for upshifts.
...but my daily driver is an auto-manual with 'left down, right up' paddles. I have driven a PDK car, and while I'm sure it is easy to get used to (and infinitely better than the Tiptronic buttons), I think it would be annoying to have two cars with such different operation. Some uniformity among manufacturers would be nice.
Regarding 'intuition', regardless of what I drive, I find that 90% of the time I only have my left hand on the wheel. For my 'left down, right up' paddle shifting car, that means 90% of the time I use the left paddle for downshifts, and the floor shifter for upshifts.
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(i) if you do not care for PDK, why do you bother starting a thread on it? and affirming unequivocally that one design is better than the other, when it is not? I, for one, can use either system without any problem.
(ii) you are wrong implying that PDK transmissions are for people missing some limb(s). Some people without missing any limbs do like PDK.
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Maybe they'll offer it with user preference settings that you can program under user options. Maybe not.
But what I don't get is why people saying that the current setting is counter-intuitive? Why is push to downshift more counter-intuitive inherently? I don't get it.
I do get that pushing forward to go forward faster makes sense to me and certainly seems intuitive on that basis. But I really don't get the opposite as being intuitive at all.
But what I don't get is why people saying that the current setting is counter-intuitive? Why is push to downshift more counter-intuitive inherently? I don't get it.
I do get that pushing forward to go forward faster makes sense to me and certainly seems intuitive on that basis. But I really don't get the opposite as being intuitive at all.
With a 6 speed you pull back from 1 to 2, 3 to 4, and 5 to 6 to up shift. Going from 2 to 3, and 4 to 5 you push forward and over and forward again to up shift. So 60% of the time you pull straight back to up shift and push straight forward to downshift. Consequently, pulling back becomes the natural, or intuitive, motion to up shift.
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With a 6 speed you pull back from 1 to 2, 3 to 4, and 5 to 6 to up shift. Going from 2 to 3, and 4 to 5 you push forward and over and forward again to up shift. So 60% of the time you pull straight back to up shift and push straight forward to downshift. Consequently, pulling back becomes the natural, or intuitive, motion to up shift.
That is so lame I won't even comment on it.
Not every manual transmission is a 6 speed.
My Mini is a 5 speed and there have been times when I've heard a grinding sound trying to go into 6th from 5th.
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With a sequential shifter you have to push the stick forward to downshift and pull the stick back to up shift.
With a 6 speed you pull back from 1 to 2, 3 to 4, and 5 to 6 to up shift. Going from 2 to 3, and 4 to 5 you push forward and over and forward again to up shift. So 60% of the time you pull straight back to up shift and push straight forward to downshift. Consequently, pulling back becomes the natural, or intuitive, motion to up shift.
With a 6 speed you pull back from 1 to 2, 3 to 4, and 5 to 6 to up shift. Going from 2 to 3, and 4 to 5 you push forward and over and forward again to up shift. So 60% of the time you pull straight back to up shift and push straight forward to downshift. Consequently, pulling back becomes the natural, or intuitive, motion to up shift.
And what about a 1st dog-leg design H shift? Actually, by bringing up the 6-speed manual paradigm you prove how futile it is to consider any particular shifting direction the 'intuitive' direction. I rest my case.