Sadiq

they shouldnt fire a sales rep cuz a customer drinks and drives :-/

russo

I don't understand why his gun was confiscated if he has a permit.

jyoteen

doesn't anyone read the owner's manual anymore??

tooloud10

Was there ever a point when they did?

gota911

Page 154 in the '07 manual.

Sadiq

I DTFC while you're RTFM

gota911

Touche!

However, since I don't have one to drive, I have to read about them.

Sadiq

yea i realized later on that was low... im sorry :-P

gota911

No, don't worry about it. I loved my 996 and someday want to get a 997. I did not take you comment as a low blow at all. Absolutely no harm done. In fact, I thought it was great. The only thing better than reading about the 997 is driving one. However, given the choice of driving my Honda or reading about Porsches, I'll take up reading, thank you!

Speed

[QUOTE=Bob Rouleau;6377754]1) Was it foggy/rainy or was he doing as too many seem to do and running with his fogs on under clear conditions? Cops have given tickets for misuse of fog lights and frankly I wish they'd do more of it.

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My thoughts exactly. It's like driving with your brights on when the conditions don't warrant use of the rear fog light. The worst offenders in my unscientific observations are Jaguars and Range Rovers. Don't these cars have separate controls for the front and rear fogs? Don't these people read their manuals?

Edgy01

If a rear fog light is provided on an automobile there is a separate control between turning on the front and also selecting the rear. Quite frankly, most Jag and Rover drivers probably have absolutely no clue what a rear fog light is much less why one would use one. We, as Porsche drivers, need to ensure that we know what all this stuff is and use it appropriately. Like I wrote earlier, in all my years I only truly needed a rear fog light once and that was early one morning in Holland, dashing off to catch a flight.

RonCT

Have to make a few assumptions here..
1. If it was clear weather when he was pulled over, then the problem is he had the rear fog on when he should not have, thus the justified ticket. Plead ignorance that you didn't know you had a rear fog, that the light toggle was pulled out and now you know, so please forgive the ticket. If your guy knew he had the fogs on, like so many today that drive with fronts and now rears on all the time, then the ticket was probably justified and your guy learned the hard way.
2. If it was foggy / rainy, then he should have no problem beating the ticket. DOT approved fog lamps used properly...
3. The firearm / permit thing is a whole other matter. If the permit was valid and the carry was proper...

I personally can't stand it when you have people oncoming with fogs on 100% of the time, and now more and more the same with the rear fog. Perhaps law enforcement is starting to teach people how to properly drive once again. In NYC they recently made it illegal to blow the horn unless in an emergency because everyone was doing it all the time and when you needed it to mean something, it didn't. Perhaps similar thing with fogs (but very different I realize)...

Likemystoppie?

Guys better check your blinker fluid. It runs low- A LOT!

Minok

Fog lights are a separate lighting system that should ONLY be used when FOG is present. If the lights were not used in the right conditions, then a citation for improper equipment usage, or whatever it may be called, is absolutely proper. Rear fog lights, which are usually a single bright light on the drivers side in most of Europe, are especially a problem because they are optically irritating, distracting, and can mislead thinking about 'is the car braking?'

The rules in Germany for the use of fogs are clear, but I don't remember the exact rules. There front fogs are to be used if the visibility is under 300m or something. Rear fogs are to be used ONLY if the visibility is under 50m or something similar.. much less visibility than front fogs.

Too many vehicles drive around with front fogs on as 'driving lights', which they are not. Rear fogs are too often turned on by ignorant or irresponsible drivers just in plain clear or rainy conditions, when rear fogs are never justified. Think about how hard the rain would have to fall to get visibility to 50m? Would any car be doing 60mph in those conditions? No, I think not.. I'd expect speeds to be way down. So someone cruising at interstate speeds with front and rear fogs on is just an idiot. I don't know if that was the case here.

But if the visibility was not extremely low, the person rightly deserves a ticket for driving with rear fogs.

Rear fogs usually (all cars I have ever driven: Porsche, Volkswagen, Audi) require a distinct and separate mechanical switch movement to turn them on. Either activating a special fog/rear fog switch, or a special mode of the light switch(frequently pulling OUT the light switch when the headlight-on position is reached). The rear fog on mode is always indicated by an additional indicator light. I don't see how they could be on unintentionally short of the driver not being aware of the controls of their own car.. and as captain of the ship, so to speak, you are required to know those settings.

As others have said, lighting on automobiles, as factory installed, are the domain of the DOT. If it came into the US as a standard import, its approved. State or local laws cannot fine you for the car having the equipment. They could fine you if local laws limit the use of such devices (such as fining you for driving through a residential street with your high-beams on, for example).


For the firearm - that is a separate issue. Did the person have a valid permit from the state in question (the permits are usually state permits)? If its a permit from a different state, then its a question of 'is that permit recognized by the state in which the firearm was confiscated? If he had a permit from the state in question - was he carrying the firearm as required by the laws of the state for the permit? For a 'concealed carry permit', its frequently NOT ok to carry the firearm in a way that is not concealed - that is, if its in a holster under your jacket as you walk down the road, you are fine. If its exposed on a belt holster that is not a valid form of carry. So if the firearm was lying exposed on the passengers seat, that may well not be a legal mode of carrying the firearm, permit or not, in the state in question.

So, to give a more applicable answer to both questions (rear fogs and firearms carry) we would need to know more information than has been supplied.

chago996

Well I for one, turn on the rear fog lights when I'm sitting in traffic. It hopefully makes the person behind me better aware of me (especially with today's cell phone distractions), and therefore will keep their distance.