Alan Smithee

I did not state that Tiptronic outsold the manual in any country; you did, and that's what I responded to.

Tiptronics make up 25-35% of the US market depending on where you get your data. Do you think that means those figures are consistent for every market in the US? There are markets where the Tiptronic is stronger, and there are markets where it isn't. Point being, overall demand is strong enough that prices are in-line with manual cars; Tiptronics don't "suffer a larger depreciation" unless you consider the price of the option, but the same can be said for any expensive Porsche option. IMO the same will hold true of PDK.

Alan Smithee

SMGII works as designed, and was not changed in the E46 M3 for its duration from 2002-2006. Like all other single-clutch automated manuals there is a learning curve, and automatic mode isn't as smooth as DSG or PDK. But that's not the point; like all other single-clutch automated manuals, there are enthusiasts that prefer SMG to a manual, as it is faster around a racetrack, makes commuting easier, and enables significant others that only use two pedals to drive, etc. Just like PDK.


Go to AutoTrader.com and do a nationwide search on 2001 and 2002 911s. Average asking price for the 206 2001s listed is $36.0k, and average price for 259 2002s is $39.9k...exactly a 10% spread, which is what is typically expected for year-over-year depreciation.

Crazy Canuck

Any difference in residuals b/w PDK and 6 speed manual?

Crazy Canuck

Germany. Most of Europe. North America is an anomoly as our market prefers Porsches with manuals over autos.

Strange but true.

Likemystoppie?

2009 via PFS for a PDK equipped car is 1% less then a M/T
2009 via PFS for a TIP equipped car is 2% less then a M/T Turbo Coupe/Cabrio

Ray S

Wrong BMW changed the programing of later model SMG's to improve the shifting. Furthermore the difference between the two (PDK and SMG) is significant. PDK (from what I read) feels very much like a traditional torque converter automatic while actuality providing clutchless shifting for high performance driving (best of both worlds). SMG has been improved in automatic driving but still does not provide seemless operation in auto mode.

That's a big difference. It's one of the reasons Porsche projects much higher purchase rates for the PDK than they ever saw with "tips".

Do you honestly believe that if someone is in the market for a used late model 997 and has the choice between a 997 MK I with a "tip" or a Mk II with a PDK they will not overwhellmingly prefer the PDK and be willing to pay more for it? Personally, I'd pay thousands more for the later car.

"Asking Price" please. You obviously don't know much about the current transaction prices for these cars. First gen Boxsters sell for considerably less than second gen cars the same is true for 996's. But hey don't take my word for it feel free to ask for pricing differences on the 996 or 986 board.

Want another example, look at 928 prices. That model had a long production run with some major model upgrades though it's life.

You will find major pricing jumps going from the 928, 928S, 928 S4, 928 GT, 928 GTS. The jumps are much larger and more defined that the year to year changes that did not have major upgrades. Not at all like the smooth depreciation curves you describe.

Ray S

You said...

If sales are "as strong" (as in equal to) or "stonger than" (as in greater than) does not mean equal or greater than (outsell) please explain what you do mean???

Jim Chambers

"Do you honestly believe that if someone is in the market for a used late model 997 and has the choice between a 997 MK I with a "tip" or a Mk II with a PDK they will not overwhellmingly prefer the PDK and be willing to pay more for it?"

Isn't this stating the obvious? If mileage and condition are equal, the newer car will usually cost a few thousand more. I guess I could trade up to an '09 from my '06, but at a cost of about $30K.

Likemystoppie?

Guys, I hate to point this out; but isn't arguing a little rediculous? I mean what's the point?

Seriously.

swajames

Spend any time in London and the majority of late model Porsche cars you'd see - and you'll see a lot - would be quite likely to be Tips.

Rob in WA

+997

Porsche took a few more years to develop it and it's paid off - big time.

I still prefer to shift, but the PDK is light years ahead of the early SMGs.

pl

almost any other market, other than us. not counting Cayenne.

pdk will hurt used tip car a lot. and guess who's hurting the most. tips TTs. either 996/997

OneManTX

I read this with interest as a poor sap owner of a Tip Turbo...(extremely happy sap, btw):

Unless you are in the business of buying and selling cars, who cares? You buy it to enjoy, and it depreciates really fast. The end.

pl

no worries, enjoy while you can, nice cab.

i have a cab tip, and don't think about resale, cause i want to keep it forever.

i take my daughters to day-care in the back-seat. i plan on take them to wedding the same way. i sure remember those smiles we've had in those nice early summer days.

BSL

In my researched opinion, yes--however not nearly as much as the Tip experiences.