Resale Value - Tip vs. PDK
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Tiptronics make up 25-35% of the US market depending on where you get your data. Do you think that means those figures are consistent for every market in the US? There are markets where the Tiptronic is stronger, and there are markets where it isn't. Point being, overall demand is strong enough that prices are in-line with manual cars; Tiptronics don't "suffer a larger depreciation" unless you consider the price of the option, but the same can be said for any expensive Porsche option. IMO the same will hold true of PDK.
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Go to AutoTrader.com and do a nationwide search on 2001 and 2002 911s. Average asking price for the 206 2001s listed is $36.0k, and average price for 259 2002s is $39.9k...exactly a 10% spread, which is what is typically expected for year-over-year depreciation.
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SMGII works as designed, and was not changed in the E46 M3 for its duration from 2002-2006. Like all other single-clutch automated manuals there is a learning curve, and automatic mode isn't as smooth as DSG or PDK. But that's not the point; like all other single-clutch automated manuals, there are enthusiasts that prefer SMG to a manual, as it is faster around a racetrack, makes commuting easier, and enables significant others that only use two pedals to drive, etc. Just like PDK.
That's a big difference. It's one of the reasons Porsche projects much higher purchase rates for the PDK than they ever saw with "tips".
Do you honestly believe that if someone is in the market for a used late model 997 and has the choice between a 997 MK I with a "tip" or a Mk II with a PDK they will not overwhellmingly prefer the PDK and be willing to pay more for it? Personally, I'd pay thousands more for the later car.
Want another example, look at 928 prices. That model had a long production run with some major model upgrades though it's life.
You will find major pricing jumps going from the 928, 928S, 928 S4, 928 GT, 928 GTS. The jumps are much larger and more defined that the year to year changes that did not have major upgrades. Not at all like the smooth depreciation curves you describe.
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If sales are "as strong" (as in equal to) or "stonger than" (as in greater than) does not mean equal or greater than (outsell) please explain what you do mean???
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"Do you honestly believe that if someone is in the market for a used late model 997 and has the choice between a 997 MK I with a "tip" or a Mk II with a PDK they will not overwhellmingly prefer the PDK and be willing to pay more for it?"
Isn't this stating the obvious? If mileage and condition are equal, the newer car will usually cost a few thousand more. I guess I could trade up to an '09 from my '06, but at a cost of about $30K.
Isn't this stating the obvious? If mileage and condition are equal, the newer car will usually cost a few thousand more. I guess I could trade up to an '09 from my '06, but at a cost of about $30K.
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Have you driven an early SMG car??? The early models were notoriously jerky and performed poorly in auto mode. BMW has since improved the transmission.
I have not driven a PDK equiped Porsche yet, but everything that I have read indicates that Porsche has none of these teething problems on the PDK........
I have not driven a PDK equiped Porsche yet, but everything that I have read indicates that Porsche has none of these teething problems on the PDK........
Porsche took a few more years to develop it and it's paid off - big time.
I still prefer to shift, but the PDK is light years ahead of the early SMGs.
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I read this with interest as a poor sap owner of a Tip Turbo...(extremely happy sap, btw):
Unless you are in the business of buying and selling cars, who cares? You buy it to enjoy, and it depreciates really fast. The end.
Unless you are in the business of buying and selling cars, who cares? You buy it to enjoy, and it depreciates really fast. The end.
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no worries, enjoy while you can, nice cab.
i have a cab tip, and don't think about resale, cause i want to keep it forever.
i take my daughters to day-care in the back-seat. i plan on take them to wedding the same way.
i sure remember those smiles we've had in those nice early summer days.
i have a cab tip, and don't think about resale, cause i want to keep it forever.
i take my daughters to day-care in the back-seat. i plan on take them to wedding the same way.
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