Experiences with Cabs - Part 2
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I've now had my 07 997 S cab for about 5 months, and have a number of observations. Especially when compared to my Ferrari 360 Spider.
Some thoughts.
* The F-car is a better open top car from an aerodynamic (cockpit) point of view. It is quiet, low wind, and easy to have a conversation at 80 window up or down. The P-car by comparison is windy, turbulent, and very noisy. Road noise, wind noise and flapping seat belts. (and yes, I have the wind thingy installed) After 50 years of 911 development I would have expected better. With the top up the 911 is very noisy inside, I agree with the comment about the rear window being open. It needs another 10# of soundproofing somewhere.
* The handling for most driving experiences on the road is generally better in the P-car. The suspension is more compliant, the wheelbase is shorter, and the turn in is better. especially on mountain roads and switchbacks. The Ferrari is better at the limit in sport mode and at the track. It corners nearly flat and the weight savings and low cg is noticeable. For 99% of the time the P-car is better on ride and handling.
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* My 360 has an aftermarket Marinello X-Ost system, and the sound is unbelievable. Nothing sounds like a Ferrari, but my wife wont let me get the AWE for her 997 (Booo Hooo !)
* The electric top in the 997 is a better mechanism, and works perfectly and quickly each time, but the cowling and 4-stage pirouette that the Ferrari goes through is a prettier finished product. The Ferrari is much quieter in the cabin with the top up, even with the high volume exhaust.
* Trunk space is about equal, but the 911 wins for the dog by virtue of the rear jump seats. (She loves the ride in the back, but hates the Ferrari )
* The p-car has way too many bells, beeps, and whistles. the damn thing is constantly pinging, beeping, and buzzing about something. Can't seem to satisfy a German woman. If I could find the beeper I would tape over it to muffle/silence it forever.
Some thoughts.
* The F-car is a better open top car from an aerodynamic (cockpit) point of view. It is quiet, low wind, and easy to have a conversation at 80 window up or down. The P-car by comparison is windy, turbulent, and very noisy. Road noise, wind noise and flapping seat belts. (and yes, I have the wind thingy installed) After 50 years of 911 development I would have expected better. With the top up the 911 is very noisy inside, I agree with the comment about the rear window being open. It needs another 10# of soundproofing somewhere.
* The handling for most driving experiences on the road is generally better in the P-car. The suspension is more compliant, the wheelbase is shorter, and the turn in is better. especially on mountain roads and switchbacks. The Ferrari is better at the limit in sport mode and at the track. It corners nearly flat and the weight savings and low cg is noticeable. For 99% of the time the P-car is better on ride and handling.
![](http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u303/rubino_01/brp800.jpg)
![](http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u303/rubino_01/32800.jpg)
* My 360 has an aftermarket Marinello X-Ost system, and the sound is unbelievable. Nothing sounds like a Ferrari, but my wife wont let me get the AWE for her 997 (Booo Hooo !)
* The electric top in the 997 is a better mechanism, and works perfectly and quickly each time, but the cowling and 4-stage pirouette that the Ferrari goes through is a prettier finished product. The Ferrari is much quieter in the cabin with the top up, even with the high volume exhaust.
* Trunk space is about equal, but the 911 wins for the dog by virtue of the rear jump seats. (She loves the ride in the back, but hates the Ferrari )
* The p-car has way too many bells, beeps, and whistles. the damn thing is constantly pinging, beeping, and buzzing about something. Can't seem to satisfy a German woman. If I could find the beeper I would tape over it to muffle/silence it forever.
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Dang, your Ferrari is HOT! I love the seats and the wheels.
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Originally Posted by keninirvine
You're right, the hardtop would be an option. I believe I read here somewhere that converting a car not ordered with a hardtop costs about $1800, but it is still cheaper than buying a new car. Any chance you could post a photo of your car with the hardtop on it? (or PM photos to me?). Thanks.
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It is funny, I never really liked the fact that my 360 spider did not have enough wind coming in. I removed the little screen but it did not help. Probably one reason I bought a 430 coupe. I will say this I enjoy drivng my 997S cab (keeping in mind it has alot of mods) more than the 360 spider I had.
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Originally Posted by vladie22
QKENUFF ,all i can say is WOW!!! both of your cars are absolutely stunning ! you have impeccable taste in automobiles my friend .
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Originally Posted by QKENUFF
Thanks for the kind words, my wife picked out the 997, but I have been a fan of burgandy cabs for 20 years. Finallly broke the mold this month and ordered a Mellow Yellow Mini Cooper S. Should be here next Wednesday.
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#39
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Originally Posted by Speed
I'm the person who posted. It was $1,500, but the dealer only charged $500 for the top. The rest was parts and labor. You have to find a dealer with a lot of 996 hardtops lying around that he wants to get rid of. I lucked out because I got a flat and was towed to the dealer in Huntington, N.Y. When I picked up the car I just took a chance and asked the service manager if he had any tops.
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Originally Posted by John NY-Naples
Not to change the subject, but how do you guys manage to upload such large pictures? Whenever I try, I get the "file too big" error message. Beautiful pics, btw.
Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by Dr_KarlB
You let the dog ride in the Ferrari !!!!
Are you mad !
:-)
Are you mad !
:-)
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Last edited by QKENUFF; 07-27-2007 at 09:19 PM.